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I had the opportunity to stop by the Electrify America charger site that recently opened at the San Francisco Premium Outlets in Livermore, California. My biggest issue with this site is that there is zero parking enforcement and rampant disregard by both EV owners and PHEV owners. When I arrived, only one charging stall was available, and the other nine were being blocked by vehicles that could not (or no longer were) charging.

The spot I stopped at needed to be rebooted, and while I was waiting, a Model 3 moved and stopped blocking one of the chargers, so I moved there. It needed to be rebooted as well, but I was able to move to a third spot that also opened up. So I was finally able to start charging.

I'm not a huge fan of DC fast chargers at retail locations for this very reason. When the parking lot gets crowded, people will take EV charging spots they can't use just because they are driving a hybrid or plug-in vehicle. However, Electrify America does have a contract with Simon Group, so in California alone, we can expect a total of 17 sites similar to this at various outlet malls.

 

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Agree with everything you said. Especially as charging stations are relatively new, enforcement needs to be done (better), like using cell phones while driving took a while to ramp up. While having a Mall enforce a contract with a towing company or an agreement with the municipality to have parking enforcement officers patrol (extra money in their coffers). Heck they could start a TV program called Parking Lot Wars (EV Edition) on one of the cable channels. Not a problem here a) parking isn't a problem, plenty of room, (I've yet to see a Tesla in a Super Charge station) b) L2 chargers are free but I can see a problem in Vancouver where at the big malls during Xmas you can't find a stall anywhere. It's going to have to be addressed. Better to have the chargers at gas stations across the street where they are manned. Gas stations could sell gas and electricity.
 

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Charge stations should be set back in the parking lot, not in close by locations, people being people they will park wherever is closest including charging spots. They would not do that at a gas pump of course. So better signs and towing warnings are needed or the effort and $ invested issquandered.
 

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Yep, I've been thinking the same thing. Charging shouldn't be in premium spots anymore, since ICEing has become such an issue. The only spots these abusers seem to respect are handicap spots that are in premium locations, but then, those people who want to abuse handicap spots just get a handicap tag illegally.

As for Lagoda's video, those terrible Tesla owners ICEing the charging spots, sadly, almost all left before he could publicly shame them. I'm wondering if these charging stations should just install CCTV cameras, or better yet, a cam in the charging console to record license tags. Maybe they can coordinate with States or the EZPass system to fine drivers ICEing charging spots. Even just having a dummy camera with a sign to indicate that tags are being recorded would deter many from risking a fine.

Charge stations should be set back in the parking lot, not in close by locations, people being people they will park wherever is closest including charging spots. They would not do that at a gas pump of course. So better signs and towing warnings are needed or the effort and $ invested issquandered.
 

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Easiest solution is put the charge points further out in the parking lots. Won't get ICE'ed
Even jerks that have issue with EV's are to lazy to park out far and walk the parking lot in order to be a dick.
 

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Easiest solution is put the charge points further out in the parking lots. Won't get ICE'ed
Even jerks that have issue with EV's are to lazy to park out far and walk the parking lot in order to be a dick.
I agree with this. I'm perfectly happy with this idea and have seen it like that at many Tesla Supercharging spots. Of course, all high powered DC chargers take so much power that they can put them wherever since the utility needs to run a separate transformer.

Here are a couple of satellite maps of ones I've been to in the past year. Most are like this. Obviously not for the famous truck blocking example in Hickory, NC is just at the back of a large convenience store+gas+prepared_hot_food. Haha, I think that only happened once and someone of the store came out and took care of it. Huge Tesla meetup last Fall in that area and had few dozen Tesla's using that charger over a few days.

Varies Hy-Vee examples are like that:



Varies Meijer examples are like that too:

 

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There's a big shopping plaza by a friend of mine's house that has a row of Superchargers along with CCS and CHAdeMO plugs and they were all iced during the Christmas shopping season, even though they're all the way at the outer reaches of the lot. The next time I'm in the area, I'll take a ride over and see how they are.
 

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Charge stations should be set back in the parking lot, not in close by locations, people being people they will park wherever is closest including charging spots. They would not do that at a gas pump of course. So better signs and towing warnings are needed or the effort and $ invested issquandered.
I would like to see that as well, but in this case, it looks like Electrify America was allotted the space immediately next to the Superchargers, which were farther down on the same island. This location is technically already at the back of the site (I had to drive around the outlet mall just to get to the site). Given the number of Tesla vehicles that I saw there, I think that most of the Tesla owners were simply overflow that couldn't get a Supercharger spot, though I'm not sure how many people using the Superchargers actually needed to charge.

I think the major issue we are seeing right now is that providers like Electrify America are being pushed to sign contracts with existing business sites like Simon Group and Walmart. Most of these are retail providers, and I don't think those are ever the best sites for DCFC. I'd much rather see Electrify America install 40 J1772 chargers at that location.

Reserve the DCFC for grocery stores, restaurants, and travel stops.
 

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As for Lagoda's video, those terrible Tesla owners ICEing the charging spots, sadly, almost all left before he could publicly shame them.
This time, it was only two out of eight, so not terrible. The guy in the Model 3 looked pretty sheepish as he was pulling out, so I'm pretty sure he knew he wasn't supposed to be blocking the charger.
 
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