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http://www.cadillac.com/hybrids/ct6-plug-in.html

It looks like the only options are 5 colors (one is a $500 option) and a front license plate bracket for $15. So $76K. At that price, it's hard to not go with a model S. Maybe in 2 years I might be able to get one heavily discounted, but I'm guessing cadillac will treat the CT6 PHEV like the 2016 ELR and just barely import enough of them to fulfill demand.

I'd be more on board at $60K or with twice the EV range at $75-76K, but I'm always pushing the limits of what I want vs. what they can technically provide.

Moderators, we now need a forum area for CT6 PHEV discussion.

Edit: oh great, if I get one, I'm going to need to back the car in to be able to plug it in...just like if I were to get a model S.
 

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Well it's a start. Hopefully there are more PHEV/EV's in the pipeline with more range and lower prices. But $70+K for 31 miles of battery powered range. As ILninja points out that buys a pretty nice MS60 and that has all the AP2 hardware built in.
 

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Speaking of where to plug the car in, manufacturers should put a receptacle at both the front and the back so if you drive it in you have a plug and if you back it in you have a plug.
I actually prefer to back a car in myself but that rally isn't practical with the Volt.
 

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Well it's a start. Hopefully there are more PHEV/EV's in the pipeline with more range and lower prices. But $70+K for 31 miles of battery powered range. As ILninja points out that buys a pretty nice MS60 and that has all the AP2 hardware built in.
Well, I'm sure glad that manufacturing the car in China helped to cut costs so much.

The regular CT6 sells at a rate of 10k per year in the USA. I don't see a $75k PHEV drawing in a lot of extra buyers.

I hope GM's working on a decent AWD hybrid and AWD electric system because that's what they really needed.
 

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Well it's a start. Hopefully there are more PHEV/EV's in the pipeline with more range and lower prices. But $70+K for 31 miles of battery powered range. As ILninja points out that buys a pretty nice MS60 and that has all the AP2 hardware built in.
For $76K I can get a new 60D with AWD. But if I'm going to spend that much on a car, what's another $20K to make it a 100D. It's interesting how the Tesla site tries to get you to make it a P100D, but if you make it a 90D first, then upgrade to a 100, it can be done at a fraction of the cost of a P100D. But then once you're at The $96K 100D, you start to tell yourself, if I'm spending this kind of money, I might as well get autopilot, OK maybe rear heated seats too...then you're in 6 figures.

So one thing about the CT6 PHEV, you get everything that they decided to throw at you, so the price doesn't start creeping up to 6 figures as you add options. So why can't they give me a slightly decontented CT6. PHEV for $60K? ....other than the fact they don't want to.
 

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It's made in China for the Chinese market...What really stinks is the non-PHEV CT6 gets supercruise while its not an option here...
 

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It's a different class of vehicle than a Model S. It has more room inside, rear infotainment screens (2) with wireless headsets, heated rear seats, surround vision with recorder, night vision, HUD, magnetic suspension, etc.

To get most the features on a Model S 60 RWD in silver with light color interior, is $90,000 ($80k after incentives).

If most your driving is around town you are still not visiting gas stations. If you want to run to Vegas with 4 or 5 people, you will arrive faster and in more comfort.
 

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For $76K I can get a new 60D with AWD. But if I'm going to spend that much on a car, what's another $20K to make it a 100D. It's interesting how the Tesla site tries to get you to make it a P100D, but if you make it a 90D first, then upgrade to a 100, it can be done at a fraction of the cost of a P100D. But then once you're at The $96K 100D, you start to tell yourself, if I'm spending this kind of money, I might as well get autopilot, OK maybe rear heated seats too...then you're in 6 figures.

So one thing about the CT6 PHEV, you get everything that they decided to throw at you, so the price doesn't start creeping up to 6 figures as you add options. So why can't they give me a slightly decontented CT6. PHEV for $60K? ....other than the fact they don't want to.
Because the margin's in the extra stuff.
 

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I hope GM's working on a decent AWD hybrid and AWD electric system because that's what they really needed.
I've been hoping for an AWD hybrid or EV anything for quite some time. But as it stands the today, if my car got totaled tomorrow, I'd get a used ELR. If they don't come out with an AWD electric anything, then in a few years I'd probably get an ICE suburban, maybe an equinox as a smaller stopgap. And if CT6 PHEV prices drop, maybe I'd get that instead of the Suburban. Caveat that with, I'm always changing my mind.
 

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It's a different class of vehicle than a Model S. It has more room inside, rear infotainment screens (2) with wireless headsets, heated rear seats, surround vision with recorder, night vision, HUD, magnetic suspension, etc.

To get most the features (but not the room or comfort) on a Model S 60 RWD in silver with light color interior, is $90,000 ($80k after incentives).
From that standpoint, the CT6 PHEV is starting to look better and better. It is filled with features. Too bad a midnight purple isn't one of them as that alone would cause my wife to find a way to get one ASAP. I don't want to have to paint or plastidip it (though if I get one, I'd seriously consider plastidipping to preserve the car - I regret not doing a whole car plastidip on the volt).
 

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I've thought about it and I'd get a CT6 before I'd get a Model S. Performance is the same (not that I'd ever need it) and the CT6 is either much less expensive or, if roughly the same price, much better equipped (and you simply can't get infrared -- which I think is a great safety feature -- or back seat monitors (seriously?) on the Model S). Once you consider credits and rebates, I think the CT6 hybrid is actually less expensive than the standard CT6 similarly equipped.

The CT6 also has a great interior -- sitting in it and then the XT5 will ruin the XT5 for you -- whereas the Model S is, at best, mediocre. For example, comparing the seats in the CT6 with the seats in the Model S is a joke. For long trips, which is what you'd want a large car for, the CT6 will be way more comfortable and has the advantage of being able to refuel in minutes not quarter hours, assuming you have access to a supercharging station at all. From a technological standpoint I've been fascinated with the mixed materials construction of the CT6. Most people wouldn't pay attention to this, but cutting so many parts out of the car should really ensure the car stays tight throughout its lifetime.

Then of course there is the quality and reliability issues. I've had more problems with the ELR than with the Volt, which has essentially been problem free, but nothing compared to friends who have a Model S. Too many issues for me to deal with. Life is too short.

The big advantage of the Model S is that, as a hatch and a without an engine, it has more room.

In my view the big problem for the CT6 is that, apart from the fact that 30 miles is light on electric range, it's a three box and most people currently want a two box. The other downside is that, like the Model S, it's too big for local driving. Unfortunately, needing the battery pack precludes using both the back and front wheels for steering, which would make the car more maneuverable. Personally I'd prefer a PHEV version of the upcoming XT3 assuming it's better done than the current XT5.

For $76K I can get a new 60D with AWD.
Not sure if you've done this, but you should price out a Model S. The options add up fast. Reminds me of a mini. If I were getting a Model S I'd get the lowest base without any options. That's likely the best deal. But in that case you really have a car in a different class than the CT6 hybrid.
 

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Dang, only available in select markets - Cali, texas, and Arizona.

Those bastards!!!!!
 

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In my view the big problem for the CT6 is that, apart from the fact that 30 miles is light on electric range, it's a three box and most people currently want a two box. The other downside is that, like the Model S, it's too big for local driving. Unfortunately, needing the battery pack precludes using both the back and front wheels for steering, which would make the car more maneuverable. Personally I'd prefer a PHEV version of the upcoming XT3 assuming it's better done than the current XT5.
My volt barely gets 30 miles of range as it is (custom wheels, driving like Jeff Gordon). I'm not quite sure what you mean by 3 Box vs. 2, is that the number of concrete squares it takes up in the driveway?

That doesn't matter to me. I've got a big garage and where I live, parking is not an issue, I park farther away and walk to avoid door dings as it is. A PHEV AWD XT3 or XT5 would be a wet dream come true.
 

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Never going to buy a Cadillac (or any car) made in China. Ever.
So you don't carry a smartphone or laptop made in China? I guess there are some smartphones and laptops manufactured by FoxConn and Quanta in Taiwan, but then there's the dispute that China considers Taiwan to be a part of them like Hong Kong, and Taiwan wants independence. Your China ban is hard to keep up. That means no Lenovo anything, you'd have to avoid things in Walmart, and don't even get me started on meats, fruits, and vegetables at the grocery store.
 

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Well, I'm sure glad that manufacturing the car in China helped to cut costs so much.
The regular CT6 sells at a rate of 10k per year in the USA. I don't see a $75k PHEV drawing in a lot of extra buyers.
You just revealed why GM makes the car in China. GM doesn't make cars in China because it's cheaper. To make a car in China and ship it to the US is no less expensive than simply making it in the US. However China is the largest automotive market and for some cars there isn't enough volume to make it in two different factories at the same time. So GM decides to build the car where they will sell the most. GM will sell more CT6 PHEV's in China than in North America.
 

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Never going to buy a Cadillac (or any car) made in China. Ever.
You are perhaps screwed. There are no cars built today without Chinese content.

In any case, the CT6 PHEV was engineered for very wealthy Chinese buyers. Few are being exported. You will probably not be able to get one anyhow.
 

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The CT6 PHEV is the car my wife wants. Why?

She likes the Volts, but loves the Cadillacs. You know how rabid BMW owners get? She's that way with Caddys. So there is a brand thing.

Then, she likes the idea of never going to gas stations except for long trips. We work 2.5 miles from home. But when she wants to go to Vegas or UCSB or San Diego, she does not have to worry about the Car Telling Her What To Do And When.

Face it, an EV today, even the $150,000 BEVs, tell YOU where and how you are to travel. You do not tell them. She hates the entire idea of remote location charging. She is OK with home, work, and destination charging, but not in the middle of the gdamn drive at very specific waypoints for undetermined duration.

So she will drive EV 90%+ of the time, then get to her long distance destinations faster than a Tesla can. An ultra luxury Volt with Cadillac badging and style. The ELR was too small, but she did consider it. She kept her CTS-V instead.
 

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You just revealed why GM makes the car in China. GM doesn't make cars in China because it's cheaper. To make a car in China and ship it to the US is no less expensive than simply making it in the US. However China is the largest automotive market and for some cars there isn't enough volume to make it in two different factories at the same time. So GM decides to build the car where they will sell the most. GM will sell more CT6 PHEV's in China than in North America.
Interesting. I know a guy who knows a guy who has been buying land rovers and jaguars here in the states, shipping them to China and selling them "used" for an immense profit. The rich Chinese want rare cars, and having something unique has some prestige. Even the gas powered CT6 should sell well in China.

In my book, it's got a US company badge on it, I'm not going to quibble where it's actually built. Just like I carry Apple products even though those are mostly manufactured in China. I think to get a US made computer, you'd have to spend a fortune on a Mac Pro, the one that looks like an obsidian trash can. Although I'd love to get a beastly 12 core Xeon beast, I'm holding off until after the house is paid off and the next car (whether it be tesla, CT6, or whatever) is purchased, and the last kid's college tuition is completely taken care of.
 

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So she will drive EV 90%+ of the time, then get to her long distance destinations faster than a Tesla can. An ultra luxury Volt with Cadillac badging and style. The ELR was too small, but she did consider it. She kept her CTS-V instead.
Our wives both drive CTSes, though my wife's CTS is a non-V model, but with a 5 speed manual transmission. she loves it, except now she's had some foot problems and struggles with the clutch. sadly, the next car won't have a stick shift. i'm going to miss manual transmissions as I just don't see is as an option on any of my future vehicles. Nobody knows how to really drive any more.
 
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