[nik.taylor]

So there are a few threads around on other sites with screengrabs of invoices (thanks Brian Ro). One of the things that stands out for me is the dealer advertising fees (imr and lma). I’ve never seen these on an invoice before. I’ve been quoted $600 under invoice for the Costco program, but I don’t know what the invoice really is here. Is it true factory invoice or the dealer invoice when they all their other fees on that include these advertising fees.

 

[DonC]

Dealer invoice will be the invoice from GM when the dealer buys the car. The dealer gets other discounts/rebates from GM off the invoice. Those can vary by dealer and region but they'll always be substantial, which is why a dealer will happily sell vehicles all day long at invoice.

I've seen advertising fees listed before. Basically these are advertising fees that GM charges the dealer (not by model of course) and the dealer is pro rating these. These official fees are technically part of the invoice. Some dealers add other "unofficial" advertising fees and these would not be part of the invoice.

At the end of the day you shouldn't worry that much about dealer cost. Yes dealer cost matters, but you'll never know what that is, and the big driver is supply and demand. The dealer isn't going to sell a car at a loss but the harder you negotiate the lower to its cost you can go. Dealer cost may also vary. Would you rather pay $100 more than cost at a high cost dealer or $300 over cost at a low cost dealer? The issue is really what you pay, not what it costs the dealer. Check to see what price others are getting when deciding if your deal is fair.

 

[bro1999]

So there are a few threads around on other sites with screengrabs of invoices (thanks Brian Ro). One of the things that stands out for me is the dealer advertising fees (imr and lma). I’ve never seen these on an invoice before. I’ve been quoted $600 under invoice for the Costco program, but I don’t know what the invoice really is here. Is it true factory invoice or the dealer invoice when they all their other fees on that include these advertising fees.

Can you post the invoice?

 

[AtomicPowered]

Dealers advertise Volts? Really? They might sell some.
Seriously there is an invoice for every car. Usually a photocopy. Not the window sticker. It lists many prices but usually you can see three prices listed together, MSRP, GM employee price and supplier price. Costco is the supplier price. It is about half the difference between MSRP and employee.

 

[nik.taylor]

Can you post the invoice?

I don't have my invoice yet. Hopefully today. I was talking about the one you posted on Facebook.

 

[nik.taylor]

Dealers advertise Volts? Really? They might sell some.
Seriously there is an invoice for every car. Usually a photocopy. Not the window sticker. It lists many prices but usually you can see three prices listed together, MSRP, GM employee price and supplier price. Costco is the supplier price. It is about half the difference between MSRP and employee.

Thanks. That's helpful.

 

[bro1999]

I don't have my invoice yet. Hopefully today. I was talking about the one you posted on Facebook.

Yeah, still, can you post it? I don't have access to it currently, but want to see it again. Lol

 

[nik.taylor]

Yeah, still, can you post it? I don't have access to it currently, but want to see it again. Lol

Done. The second invoice in in two halves.

 

[bro1999]

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Done. The second invoice in in two halves.

Cool, thanks man.

 

[cfspeakman]

I got a Costco pricing quote from a California dealer, but it was only $700 under the MSRP. Another dealer in California told me that the Bolt was excluded from the Costco plan. And yet another dealer, Rydell, is offering $1000 off of MSRP. So I am NOT pursuing the Costco plan, and am going with deal from Rydell.

So conflicting information about pricing the Bolt on the Costco Auto purchasing program makes me skeptical.

 

[bro1999]

I got a Costco pricing quote from a California dealer, but it was only $700 under the MSRP. Another dealer in California told me that the Bolt was excluded from the Costco plan. And yet another dealer, Rydell, is offering $1000 off of MSRP. So I am NOT pursuing the Costco plan, and am going with deal from Rydell.

So conflicting information about pricing the Bolt on the Costco Auto purchasing program makes me skeptical.

Interesting to see the employee and supplier discounts (~$2,500 and ~$900 respectively) listed in the invoices. Also, the dealer holdback seems to be $1,230, and it's also listed. Even though the supplier and employee discounts are listed on the invoice, the supplier/employee pricing sites still list the Bolt as ineligible.

Anyways, seems Rydell is offering a very good discount, as many other Chevy dealers in Cali have been reportedly charging MSRP. Rydell's discount is actually better than the supplier discount.

 

[nik.taylor]

Interesting to see the employee and supplier discounts (~$2,500 and ~$900 respectively)t.

Isn't the supplier discount ~$1600? MSRP is $43,510 and supplier on both invoices is $41,918

 

[bro1999]

Isn't the supplier discount ~$1600? MSRP is $43,510 and supplier on both invoices is $41,918

Supplier and employee pricing don't include the $875 destination charge.

 

[nik.taylor]

Supplier and employee pricing don't include the $875 destination charge.

The costco website says this:

Do I have to pay any dealer fees?

Tax, title (documentation) and license fees are not included in the GM Supplier Price. Unless otherwise allowed by law, dealers will charge $75 for documentation fees. Destination and advertising fees are included in the GM Supplier Price and will not be charged separately. Please see dealer for details.

http://www.costcoauto.com/promo/faq.aspx

 

[bro1999]

The costco website says this:

http://www.costcoauto.com/promo/faq.aspx

Hmm....maybe I'm wrong then. Perhaps the "EMPINC" AND "SUPINC" lines are the kickbacks the dealer gets from GM under those programs?

Yep, that's what it is....dealer kickbacks. The employee and supplier prices are the bottom line prices including DFC. Owell, $1k off is still better than MSRP.

 

[bro1999]

Also, according to my Bolt's invoice, it was supposed to arrive at the dealer....yesterday (EXP I/T 12/19/16)! wtf!

 

[winchipper]

The incentive sheets show no current special from Costco like they have on many Chevy's through year end. What people are talking about is the paid for by dealer Costco shopping network where dealers can post pricing. Many do not have any stock and yet post as a wish list. We do have 200 available over the next 2 months with about 100 in transit and we are now being told between today and Tuesday they will arrive. We will continue to be competitive with other dealers legitimate in stock offers. We are hearing discounts on units but not in first wave. It will be interesting to see the market does and Keyes will continue to have great inventory and stay very viable in the market place. We are not quoting to on line shoppers over MSRP pricing. We also have not yet established any discounts other than then factory rebates for leasing. We believe in addition to excellent deals, excellent service and a great inventory that we rarely miss a deal over price. We do not gouge and we take this Forum seriously. I continue to get abusive emails from Bro ....
Just a part of everyday life knowing special people exist. Anyone who needs anything direct or questions a salesperson numbers or emails always has access to my cell 818 231 1286. I continue to be the only GM that is readily available for those on this Forum.

Thank you

Rick Alpern
818 231 1286
GM Keyes Chevy

 

[bro1999]

The incentive sheets show no current special from Costco like they have on many Chevy's through year end. What people are talking about is the paid for by dealer Costco shopping network where dealers can post pricing. Many do not have any stock and yet post as a wish list. We do have 200 available over the next 2 months with about 100 in transit and we are now being told between today and Tuesday they will arrive. We will continue to be competitive with other dealers legitimate in stock offers. We are hearing discounts on units but not in first wave. It will be interesting to see the market does and Keyes will continue to have great inventory and stay very viable in the market place. We are not quoting to on line shoppers over MSRP pricing. We also have not yet established any discounts other than then factory rebates for leasing. We believe in addition to excellent deals, excellent service and a great inventory that we rarely miss a deal over price. We do not gouge and we take this Forum seriously. I continue to get abusive emails from Bro ....
Just a part of everyday life knowing special people exist. Anyone who needs anything direct or questions a salesperson numbers or emails always has access to my cell 818 231 1286. I continue to be the only GM that is readily available for those on this Forum.

Thank you

Rick Alpern
818 231 1286
GM Keyes Chevy

Stop spreading your continual lies, RICK. I haven't sent you a single email. My last TEXT to you was almost a week ago, saying you could burn my deposit check. If you try and cash the check, you can bet I'm filing a police report for theft against your dealership.

That other guy you tried to charge $5k over MSRP is the one that was emailing you....the same one that you threatened to "call the authorities" because he offered to stop by your dealership in the Bolt he is buying from Rydell? LOL

Or was it that other customer you tried to charge $8k over MSRP?? Maybe people should be calling the authorities on you for the highway robbery you are trying to pull.

I received $1k off MSRP from Rydell (right down the road from you) on a Premier Bolt that just arrived at Mira Loma yesterday, so stop that lie of "no one has discounted any in bound unit".

Keep trying to gouge customers that want a Bolt this year. That'll surely help your long-term business prospects.

I can't believe since a guy throws a couple of bucks at the forum, he is given free reign to spread lie after lie and try and intimidate other posters. Simply ridiculous,