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I'm not sure where this should go, so mods, feel free to move it where it belongs.

I just did some research and wrote a lengthy email to my condominium association detailing options for adding charging to our parking lot. I think this might come in handy to someone in whole or in part, since I cover all the possible charging solutions:


About the charging stations for our condominium. There are a number of ways of accomplishing it.

The easiest of all, would be to permanently move electric car owner's paking spot to a location near an existing power outlet or where an outlet 120V 15A could be added for the least amount of money (possibly using existing wiring) and charge a flat fee as explained futher below.

One point to be made is that having charging stations or outlets available would allow people with electric cars to consider living in our condominium, thus increasing the pool of potential buyers when a unit goes on sale (which I'm sure in the long run would have an effect on unit prices).

I've done lost of research and there are basically four ways of doing it (if not using an existing outlet):

1. Install a "managed" charger:
-Initial cost of $1500 each plus installation
-Automatic billing by Chargepoint, checks mailed montly to condo assoc.
-Condo association decides how much to charge for electricity
-Condo association can choose to charge any $ as a "per use fee" to recover initial expense until paid off (then possibly reduce fee to just cover maintenance)
-I suggest this fee should be no higher than 50% of the cost of the electricity used, otherwise it will make charging more expensive than using gas and people just won't charge. I see a $1 or $1.50 per use as fair.
-These chargers have a built-in cell antenna that handles all the billing, and they last for years.

2. Install a simple outlet.
-Wiring will be the only initial cost
-Charger equipment is the responsibility of the car owner (which gets rid of maintenance costs)
-Outlet is set up with a lockable cover, copy of key given to those who pay fee.
-240V 30A would be best.
-120V 15A is a cheaper option to install, this has the drawback of taking 10hrs to charge a car to drive 30-35 miles, which will not be enough for many people (for me it's fine).
-Electric car owner would pay flat monthly fee along with regular condo fees to cover electricity cost, or a $15 metering device could be installed to measure actual electricity usage (drawback would be who would read the meter montly, the car owner?)
-I have records to show that my car has used on average 230kw/h of electricity per month for a year, which would cost $38 (assuming $0.16/kwh), so I propose the montly electricity fee be $38, with a second tier for those that also charge at work paying half of that ($19). The reasoning behind that is that in my example, I charge at work (11 miles away) and arrive at home with my battery 70% full, requiring about $0.64 of electricity to top it off overnight mon-fri.
-Condo association can choose to charge any $ as a montly fee to recover initial expense until paid off (then possibly reduce fee to just cover maintenance)
-I suggest this fee should be no higher than 50% of the cost of the electricity used, otherwise it will make charging more expensive than using gas and people just won't charge. I see a $10 fee per month as fair (considering the greatly reduced cost of this setup).


Both of these two options can be set up in one of two ways:
a. unassigned parking for charging only:
-two spots can be set up (initially just one) in the easiest location to have wiring pulled, if spot is empy, park and charge, move when done.
- option 1 would be best for this because of billing
-would require 240v 30A to allow quicker charging so spot can be made available for next person (if any)
-drawback how few guest spaces we have, not viable.

b. charge at assigned spot:
-two spots can be set up (initially just one) in the easiest location to have wiring pulled, condo owner that wants to charge, has their parking space oficially and permanently moved to wherever charger (or outlet) was installed. I suggest pulling the wiring for two plugs at once, and only install the second one when a second owner asks for a charging spot.
-could use flat fees or cheap metering device to charge for actual electricity usage.
-charge a flat montly fee to recover installation cost.
 

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You packed a lot of good information in there, but one suggestion I would make is to simplify it. Nobody on your condo association board is going to read all of that or comprehend all of the variations. I would give them just the first 2 or 3 sentences.

Also, your suggestion that electricity be charged at half the cost seems odd. You are asking the association to supplement the cost of charging for EV owners. I don't see why they would want to agree to something like that. Also, I think the managed charger option has some monthly ongoing fees that you didn't mention.

One last thing is that charging a different fee for people who charge at work is going to be unmanageable. Is that by the honor system? How do you ensure someone actually charges at work and is not just taking advantage of the lower rate?

Since this is a condo and each unit is individually owned, I would look for a solution that has each owner responsible for the cost of installing the equipment and running it off of his own meter. The association would just authorize the installation and the exclusive parking required for that to work.
 

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I guess my wording is not as clear as it seemed when I was writing.
I mean that the "recovery fee" not be more than 50% of the electricity cost... so people still pay for all of their electricity plus up to 50% to cover the hardware and installation costs.

I did not mention the monthly fees from Chargepoint because I figured the email was going to be long enough already and the users would cover it.

I am hoping they'll like the honor system on the charging at work, but perhaps that is too optimistic on my part. Maybe that argument can be changed to full price for full EV, and half price for plug-in hybrid?

We don't have separate power meters for each unit, hence my suggestion of a montly fee.
 

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Unless you know your HOA likes to reply to emails, if they offer a monthly meeting along with owners, just go in person...You'd be amazed at the objections they can come up with...

My HOA is notoriously for their rule enforcement and has all sort of blanket rules one being something like the HOA can deny anything they deem unattractive...My HOA said over email they would "approve" charging stations IF they'd liked the electricians proposal...Before I even bothered contacting electricians I went to a meeting to see what they "liked"; HOA board members couldn't even agree on anything and one was concerned with "non-uniformed" charging stations looking like "garbage" in the community garage...Ultimately they said no electrician proposals would be approved until board creates a set of rules...I no longer my Volt so never followed up but just a FYI as in person helps with the handling of objections on the spot...
 

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I'm pretty sure some EV groups have already developed some boiler plate wording for stuff like this. Might be easier to adapt what they've already written (especially in areas where it was successful) than write your own?

At my company, I was successful in adding more charging stations and I used a powerpoint presentation (that I wasn't even there to present, it had to stand on its own). I showed pics of the different options (outlets, L1 stations, L2 stations, etc) with relative cost figures. They chose the least costly option (L1 outlets) and it has helped alleviate load on our existing commercial L2 station.

Would love to see more condos playing ball here. I'm thinking about buying one, but the charging situation is a bit of a stumbling block...
 

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"We don't have separate power meters for each unit, hence my suggestion of a monthly fee."

I hope I misunderstood this. Are you saying that ALL the electricity used by condo owners go to one meter and you split the total electric bill between you? if so, that is a recipe for electricity abuse & conservation efforts (in the house) are useless. No way I'd live somewhere I'm paying someone else's electric bill. Before you worry about EV charging, get rules changed to get submeters & everyone saves (and the electricity wasters have incentives to change their ways as well. Again, hopefully that's not what you really meant.
 

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Since this is a condo and each unit is individually owned, I would look for a solution that has each owner responsible for the cost of installing the equipment and running it off of his own meter. The association would just authorize the installation and the exclusive parking required for that to work.
This is the best. No association costs. You would need assigned parking. You would also want to have portable L1 and L2 chargers used that way the equipment is not out for someone else to use.
 

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I think charging a flat monthly fee for parking and charging is the most practical. The condo association can install a meter on the supply to the charger enabled parking spots, so they can compare their total costs to income.

I also like the idea of installing 240 V outlets, 30 A or 40 A for the parking spaces. They also could provide uniform looking lockable cabinets for PEV owners to keep their own EVSE. Including a 120 V outlet as well would accommodate owners that do not have a 240 V EVSE. Use of 120 V only could be half price of 240 V to owners.

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I think charging a flat monthly fee for parking and charging is the most practical. The condo association can install a meter on the supply to the charger enabled parking spots, so they can compare their total costs to income.
Is what my building owners do, though they apparently forgot to install the meter part. Underground parking is $125 a month for ICE, $140 for electrics using the 32-amp Leviton chargers. So far, it's just me, and there's a Jeep in the other slot, but they'll move her out if someone comes that wants a power spot.
 
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