[Steverino]

The country's vice industry minister said it had started "relevant research" but that it had not yet decided when the ban would come into force.



Both the UK and France have already announced plans to ban new diesel and petrol vehicles by 2040, as part of efforts to reduce pollution and carbon emissions.


Chinese-owned carmaker Volvo said in July that all its new car models would have an electric motor from 2019.
Geely, Volvo's Chinese owner, aims to sell one million electric cars by 2025.


http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41218243

 

[Upper5Percent]

The country's vice industry minister said it had started "relevant research" but that it had not yet decided when the ban would come into force.



Both the UK and France have already announced plans to ban new diesel and petrol vehicles by 2040, as part of efforts to reduce pollution and carbon emissions.


Chinese-owned carmaker Volvo said in July that all its new car models would have an electric motor from 2019.
Geely, Volvo's Chinese owner, aims to sell one million electric cars by 2025.


http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41218243

But...But...isn't China supposed to be the "NEW" moral leader of the environment after "45" pulled out of the Paris Agreement?...

 

[Steverino]

But...But...isn't China supposed to be the "NEW" moral leader of the environment after "45" pulled out of the Paris Agreement?...

Well, the leaders are at least thinking (and talking) about EV's

 

[Loboc]

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...able-to-end-sales-production-of-gasoline-cars

So, Tony Seba's 2025 prediction is coming true. He is predicting the top of the EV adoption 'S' curve to hit around then.

 

[Mister Dave]

Political feel-good noise, little more. See what happened in the Netherlands, which came >< this close to such a ban, and then POOF! No joy.

The Netherlands, which has an electric vehicle penetration level of around 10 percent, voted to ban all new petrol and diesel car sales by 2025 in a motion passed in April. The move, approved by the lower house of parliament, was due to be debated by the senate last month.

Instead, the country announced plans to become “one huge Living Lab for Smart Charging of electric vehicles,” according to a press release.

Reminds me of the more recent $3 billion "proposed" spending for EV rebates in California that turned into a directive that CARB contract someone to do a "study".

China will continue to push EVs as long as they can afford to subsidize them. After all, you can cut the air with a knife over there.

2040 is a long way off. The vehicle landscape is likely to change all by itself by then, leaving this political BS looking like flaccid chatter.

 

[charliebrown]

China to ban all traditional engines... wants EV's to dominate.

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-china-vehicles-20170911-story.html

No date has been set, but this will be HUGE for the EV market. It will pretty much force automakers to develop EV's if they want to sell cars in China.

 

[llninja]

Just as quickly as they can craft this ban, they could also ban foreign vehicles and force their consumers to buy Chinese brands which could push GM and Tesla out.

A few years ago China built the fastest supercomputer in the world by using Intel Xeon Phi KNC cards and just buying gobs of them. Then a few years later, they built a faster one using a CPU of Chinese design. They make their own rules, because they can and will, anything to keep the people in line and stay in power. They will be a force to reckon with, and I hope to never see a day where we need to all learn how to speak Chinese.

 

[volt spain]

That wiil be the FINAL VICTORY of the electric Car...Already they have the longest net of ELECTRIC BULLETS TRAIN in the world...the amazing thing is that a "Capitalist-Communist" regime is telling the World how to go... the Socialist always tell the rest of us what to do. LOL

 

[Raymondjram]

Just as quickly as they can craft this ban, they could also ban foreign vehicles and force their consumers to buy Chinese brands which could push GM and Tesla out.

Maybe Tesla but not GM because GM has a big stake in SAIC and is a partner with other Chinese companies. That is why there are more GM hybrids in China (Buick Regal and LaCrosse hybrids, Buick Velite and Cadillac CT6 PHEVs) than in the U.S. The new Chevy Bolt EV may become the Buick "Electra" there.

I bet that if China establishes the "ban", GM will be very happy!

 

[obermd]

China has a huge incentive to ban ICE - rampant air pollution that's starting to incur huge medical costs to their economy.

 

[llninja]

Maybe Tesla but not GM because GM has a big stake in SAIC and is a partner with other Chinese companies. That is why there are more GM hybrids in China (Buick Regal and LaCrosse hybrids, Buick Velite and Cadillac CT6 PHEVs) than in the U.S. The new Chevy Bolt EV may become the Buick "Electra" there.

I bet that if China establishes the "ban", GM will be very happy!

I worked for SAIC for 14 years, but a completely different company than this Chinese car company. It was Science Applications International Corporation, a US-based defense contractor. The Chinese Government could still make life very difficult for GM to make a profit even with the SAIC partnership. Remember, they make the rules and can decide whatever it wants on a whim - even more spastic than the US Congress. Our congressional delegates at least have debates and vote.

 

[JRRF]

Just as quickly as they can craft this ban, they could also ban foreign vehicles and force their consumers to buy Chinese brands which could push GM and Tesla out.

A few years ago China built the fastest supercomputer in the world by using Intel Xeon Phi KNC cards and just buying gobs of them. Then a few years later, they built a faster one using a CPU of Chinese design. They make their own rules, because they can and will, anything to keep the people in line and stay in power. They will be a force to reckon with, and I hope to never see a day where we need to all learn how to speak Chinese.

If the US electorate doesn't wise up and stop devouring "red meat", we will have no choice but to speak Chinese.

 

[JRRF]

I worked for SAIC for 14 years, but a completely different company than this Chinese car company. It was Science Applications International Corporation, a US-based defense contractor. The Chinese Government could still make life very difficult for GM to make a profit even with the SAIC partnership. Remember, they make the rules and can decide whatever it wants on a whim - even more spastic than the US Congress. Our congressional delegates at least have debates and vote.

On a whim indeed. The only car company we are familiar with that is protected is Volvo. And that's because the Chinese own them. Not the other way around.

 

[Mister Dave]

....they could also ban foreign vehicles and force their consumers to buy Chinese brands which could push GM and Tesla out.

And that's far more likely. Apparently the cosmopolitans don't think about what happens to the lower classes with these brilliant ideas.

I hope to never see a day where we need to all learn how to speak Chinese.

Many of them are learning English. Maybe that's more scary.

However, a large part of the Chinese population isn't even literate in Mandarin. I suppose if you ban the only car they can afford they'll have to stay home, so it won't matter if they're literate.

 

[Upper5Percent]

A Guide to China's Auto Industry - Electric Cars

http://chinaautoweb.com/electric-cars/


China Is Leading The World's Boom In Electric Vehicles -- Here's Why

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackpe...e-worlds-boom-in-electric-vehicles-heres-why/

 

[Mister Dave]

http://chinaautoweb.com/electric-cars/


China Is Leading The World's Boom In Electric Vehicles -- Here's Why

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackpe...e-worlds-boom-in-electric-vehicles-heres-why/

Is this bad air coming from cars?

China Says It's Going to Use More Coal, With Capacity Set to Grow 19%

Chinese workers commute as smoke billows from a coal fired power plant in Shanxi. Photographer: Kevin Frayer/Getty Images

Hmmm......

 

[Upper5Percent]

Is this bad air coming from cars?

China Says It's Going to Use More Coal, With Capacity Set to Grow 19%

Chinese workers commute as smoke billows from a coal fired power plant in Shanxi. Photographer: Kevin Frayer/Getty Images

Hmmm......

Though LA was never really a big manufacturing city, most of their emissions were auto related...

As is Denver's air quality every winter...

Coal emissions were still the leading cause as we saw back in the day in Pittsburgh, when it was an actual manufacturing location

 

[Mister Dave]

Coal emissions were still the leading cause as we saw back in the day in Pittsburgh, when it was an actual manufacturing location

As it is in China now. I really wonder if using more electricity is any kind of answer right now for China's big cities considering where most of it comes from.

In the past (as in the cities you highlighted) we had a lot of cars belching smoke. I remember those days of leaded gasoline and no vehicle emission standards. If you see a car belching smoke now it's very rare and ticket-able by the police.

China still hasn't upped their vehicle emiison standards yet. Only 3 more years to go!

China will require all light vehicles to adhere to tougher new “China VI” emission standards by the middle of 2020

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-autos-emissions/china-to-require-tougher-new-vehicle-emission-standards-for-2020-idUSKBN14C0Q4

P.S. There are ways around our emission standards for the low income folks. I know a guy who didn't pass his test. All he had to do was put in $1000 in repairs and he got a waiver. Even still, his car wasn't belching visible smoke that I ever saw.

I wonder if a similar plan will emerge (be hidden) in China. If it isn't apparent yet, China's economy is more important to them than their air quality.

 

[Jmaj]

I hope to never see a day where we need to all learn how to speak Chinese.

The advice I gave to my LA resident nephew some years ago about which foreign language to study - if you want to talk to your boss, Mandarin.

As far as China being an invincible juggernaut that will dominate the world, ever wonder why the Chicoms are so sensitive about Taiwanese independence? The leadership doesn't want a precedent - the Manchus, Mongolians, Uyghers, Tibetans, and Viets might get the wrong idea. It's unity is more fragile than generally supposed.

 

[Mister Dave]

The advice I gave to my LA resident nephew some years ago about which foreign language to study - if you want to talk to your boss, Mandarin.

Not too long ago it was Japanese. So much for reading tea leaves.

As far as China being an invincible juggernaut that will dominate the world, ever wonder why the Chicoms are so sensitive about Taiwanese independence? The leadership doesn't want a precedent - the Manchus, Mongolians, Uyghers, Tibetans, and Viets might get the wrong idea. It's unity is more fragile than generally supposed.

Vietnam doesn't give a fling for China. They're competing with China for American manufacturing business, and aren't too thrilled with how China uses their front porch pit bull DPRK.

One of China's bigger manufacturing 'partners' is Taiwanese owned Hon Hai Precision (Foxconn). Taiwan is no more fond of DPRK than anyone else in southeast Asia. Then there's Singapore's Flex(tronics) who does quite a bit of work in China. I think it's in China's interest to play nice. Maybe China's military feels differently. I really wonder if Xi gives the military orders, or if it's the other way around.