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Since A123's chapter 11, I've been really wondering what's up with the Spark EV.
GM claims it's not a problem for the Spark
http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/2012/10/gm_a123_bankruptcy_will_not_im.html

I noticed MotorTrend gave its gas-powered sibling a respectful nod in their article on the Car of the Year finalists.
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear...ders_and_finalists/chevrolet_spark.html?ti=v2

It's theoretically going on sale in S. Korea first but I want the official specs!
http://insideevs.com/gm-officially-...-south-korea-then-to-united-states-late-2013/

Really the Spark EV could be the first mass-market entry-level affordable EV -- IF it has the right specs and price.
Theoretically we should be able to see it at the LA auto show
http://americajr.com/news/LA/chevysparkEV1110.html

Offer a bright orange Spark EV. Please. And take my money already GM.
 

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Yeah, I've been wondering too.

A123/JCI were reportedly using the bankruptcy process to try to get out of or renegotiate their contract with Fisker. I wonder if anything like that is going on with GM? the silence is really deafening.
 

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Since A123's chapter 11, I've been really wondering what's up with the Spark EV.
GM claims it's not a problem for the Spark
http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/2012/10/gm_a123_bankruptcy_will_not_im.html

I noticed MotorTrend gave its gas-powered sibling a respectful nod in their article on the Car of the Year finalists.
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear...ders_and_finalists/chevrolet_spark.html?ti=v2

It's theoretically going on sale in S. Korea first but I want the official specs!
http://insideevs.com/gm-officially-...-south-korea-then-to-united-states-late-2013/

Really the Spark EV could be the first mass-market entry-level affordable EV -- IF it has the right specs and price.
Theoretically we should be able to see it at the LA auto show
http://americajr.com/news/LA/chevysparkEV1110.html

Offer a bright orange Spark EV. Please. And take my money already GM.
Good timing, GM just announced it wil debut the Spark EV at the LA Auto Show this month. Should (hopefully) get some specs then.

http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-spark-ev-to-debut-this-month-at-la-auto-show/

I've talked to a lot of people at GM about the Spark EV, and everything is supposedly on track, and they don't seem to expect interruption of production due to the A123's rinse through bankruptcy. Definitely going to hit SK first, probably in late summer (although that is just an educated guess on my part), the GM rep maintains late 2013 as a 2014 model in US.

Consensus seems to be jsut under 30K, but who knows...so little info has been disseminated from GM. One assumes with the high cost/recent failure of the i-MiEV, which is priced at $29,975 and the $25K pricepoint on the Smart electric drive, the Spark EV has to been in between the two to be successful

GM has always maintained it is going to be a low production car, at least starting out. Hopfeully the LA Auto Show clears all the questions up.
 

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The primary negative with the Spark EV and A123 partnership is perhaps A123 is known for high prices for their stuff. Could it be that they did a good deal for Asian-delivery of these systems at a good enough price to make the car sellable worldwide rather than overpriced due to input costs?
 

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My wife and I are considering the Spark EV as our second vehicle. She was considering the Sonic but after owning a Volt for 3 months an ICE vehicle feels clunky and unresponsive. We have the EV bug. So if the Spark is affordable we might bite.
 

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The LA Auto Show begins November 30. Here is a list of the debut vehicles:
http://www.laautoshow.com/DebutVehicles

Only a few are uncovered. I will watch the news of the show on TV and on the specialty channels (I get Velocity HD on cable).

I found news on the Spark EV elsewhere:
http://americajr.com/news/LA/chevysparkEV1110.html
The Fiat 500e (electric) is also debuting at the show. I wonder if it can compete with the Spark EV?

I am very interested in the Spark EV, and I am willing to travel to the mainland to see it and take a test drive. Since no local GM dealer has shown interest in selling the Chevy Volt (and I dare not buy one with no local service), I believe that the Spark EV will be easier to service, so it may be sold here. But if not, I dare to buy a Spark EV on the mainland, have it shipped down, and drive it to the dealers, then arrange for service here. And if they can't, then I will get my own service manuals from Helm, Inc (I was the one who posted about the Volt Manuals at this site) and do my own! I worked with GM and other brands of vehicles since 1964, and I am an EE, so my only limitation is getting replacement parts (especially the battery).
 

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With the base Spark starting at an MSRP of $12.9k (including destination), I can't imagine the Spark EV being over $20k. If that's the case, with the $7.5k tax credit bringing the price back down to less than the cheapest Spark, GM has a shot of a real success with the Spark EV.
I'll be very surprised if they hit numbers that low. Industry estimates would leave you thinking the battery pack alone will cost over $10k (though GM may subsidize it for replacement, like we assume they are doing for the Volt.) I wouldn't be too surprised if they managed to get to your ~$20k price *after* rebate - which is still far cheaper than any current competition, and likely enough to guarantee good sales.
 

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The Spark is a CARB compliance vehicle, definitely not what I'd call production. Think the electric version of the RAV4.

One assumes with the high cost/recent failure of the i-MiEV, which is priced at $29,975 and the $25K pricepoint on the Smart electric drive, the Spark EV has to been in between the two to be successful
The i-Miev was really not that interesting a car. It just didn't have any one thing that stood out and it was Spartan at best. I'd say the Spark and the electric version of the Fit are going to be very interesting given their weight and power. I think we're looking at two pocket rockets. I could see getting one of these. Can't see why anyone would want an i-Miev at this point.
 

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So right now I'm trying to decide if it's worth a flight out to LA to see the spark EV.

Does anybody have any premonition whether there will be any new substantive details released about price, range, battery specs, etc?

Any chance at early reservations for a Spark EV (because i WILL reserve one if I can) at the auto show?

...salivating...
 

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I saw a Spark in the wild yesterday, charging. It is interesting how much bigger the EV Charge door is with the new J1772 Combo Connector. I think the combo connector will offer a fun challenge to the designers to become creative in the future with a better door integrated styling design. As the door is really quite large (almost huge) and does not look as elegant as the VOLT's (my opinion, as styling is just that - personal).

Great to see the EV market expansion with the Spark and the Fiat 500 EV (two days earlier) also using some of the public plug in places as they complete their real world development testing. Note: Next time I see the Fiat EV I will check out their charge door too, as I see it is quarter mounted to likely follow the gas powered vehicle design.
 

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I saw a Spark in the wild yesterday, charging. It is interesting how much bigger the EV Charge door is with the new J1772 Combo Connector. I think the combo connector will offer a fun challenge to the designers to become creative in the future with a better door integrated styling design. As the door is really quite large (almost huge) and does not look as elegant as the VOLT's (my opinion, as styling is just that - personal).

Great to see the EV market expansion with the Spark and the Fiat 500 EV (two days earlier) also using some of the public plug in places as they complete their real world development testing. Note: Next time I see the Fiat EV I will check out their charge door too, as I see it is quarter mounted to likely follow the gas powered vehicle design.


At least get a cameraphone shot. Sheesh. :)
 

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The i-Miev was really not that interesting a car. It just didn't have any one thing that stood out and it was Spartan at best.
That was my wife's impression as well. She called the iMiev "a beater car" after a test drive. I do like it's exterior (I may be in the minority). My favorite styling for a car this size is the Honda Fit. I am interested in test driving the Spark EV.

I still wonder whether a used Volt would be a better deal than a new Spark EV. I have a few years before A) the Spark will be available to me, and B) when I'll need to replace our second car. I very much doubt I'll be looking at a Leaf as it not only is unattractive (sorry DonC), but I just don't like the way Nissan handled the battery issues in AZ, etc.
 
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