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Apparently, the Bolt EV just set a production car lap record at Laguna Seca. It runs in a different class than the Tesla Model S, and it ran a 1:56.619 lap time. Not bad.

 

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That gives Tesla something to shoot for.
 

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With a low center of gravity, the Chevy Bolt EV needs much less braking at corners until the tires break traction, and as such can be much faster that regular cars that have more HP. I am expecting results from a sport rally where the Bolt EV can compete with similar sized vehicles. It may be the next world champion.
 

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Apparently, the Bolt EV just set a production car lap record at Laguna Seca. It runs in a different class than the Tesla Model S, and it ran a 1:56.619 lap time. Not bad.

The video gives no information. Where did you find the lap time and who determined a record had been set?
 

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Disappointing to see that power gets thermally limited after only 2-3 laps.
I believe a Model S does the same thing.
ACtually the Model S P85 driver said his car started getting thermally limited after barely half a lap.
 

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I believe a Model S does the same thing.
ACtually the Model S P85 driver said his car started getting thermally limited after barely half a lap.
That is what happens when you have a much faster and heavier car. You didn't mention the fact that even with the Tesla being thermally limited it is still faster than the bolt at full power.
 

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That is what happens when you have a much faster and heavier car. You didn't mention the fact that even with the Tesla being thermally limited it is still faster than the bolt at full power.
And twice the money! Let's get honest, a bone stock Miata would ass-rape either one with a good driver for a lot less money. And I hate Miatas.
 

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I believe a Model S does the same thing.
ACtually the Model S P85 driver said his car started getting thermally limited after barely half a lap.
That is what happens when you have a much faster and heavier car. You didn't mention the fact that even with the Tesla being thermally limited it is still faster than the bolt at full power.
You would hope a car that costs 3 times as much as the Bolt and has superior performance specs across the board would be faster when it's performing at 100%.
The fact it can't even make 1 lap at speed without being limited is pretty hilarious for a brand that is know for performance.

Imagine if BMW had to adjust their motto "The ultimate driving machine*"
* for half a lap
 

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Unfortunately that is typical of any production car. They don't have enough cooling or brakes for serious track work. We used to do track days at a local track, the cars were relatively slow (about the speed of my dirt bike) and could only do a few laps before pulling off to cool down.

Still a bit sad that the tesla hits thermal limits in less than a lap. Laguna isn't all that big as far as tracks go. I wonder how long it would take at road America. For reference we did 50 min practice and qualifying sessions at Laguna Seca
 

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Unfortunately that is typical of any production car. They don't have enough cooling or brakes for serious track work. We used to do track days at a local track, the cars were relatively slow (about the speed of my dirt bike) and could only do a few laps before pulling off to cool down.
Uh, what? I've done so many track days in "production" cars that I can't even count them. I've done track days in 100+ degree weather and I've NEVER had to stop or slow down for overheating. I've been to track days out of town where people rented cars to bring to the track, even lowly Corollas, Fiestas, Neons, etc. and had no problem with those overheating either (maybe brakes if you aren't careful and drive like an idiot, actually saw a rented Mustang set fire to its front brakes at Laguna once).

There's really no excuse for a production car to overheat, especially when on DOT street tires.
 

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Disappointing to see that power gets thermally limited after only 2-3 laps.
According to the Model S driver, it was a fast enough pace that he was thermally limited by Turn 6. Regardless, this will be something interesting to try and overcome.
 

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You would hope a car that costs 3 times as much as the Bolt and has superior performance specs across the board would be faster when it's performing at 100%.
The fact it can't even make 1 lap at speed without being limited is pretty hilarious for a brand that is know for performance.

Imagine if BMW had to adjust their motto "The ultimate driving machine*"
* for half a lap
I am not sure what cost has to do with it but ok. I mean a D10 dozer is well over $600,000 does that mean it should run a faster lap than a dozer that only costs 100,000? Funny thing is I could probably beat the Million dollar dozer around the track on a $500 scooter. Neither was made for the track but the cheaper one will still beat it.

The tesla does what electric cars do best...accelerate. It is the fastest production car on the planet right now. It was never meant for the track as that is not where it or any electric car shines as just about any purpose built ice will destroy any electric car on the track.

That same 3 series ultimate driving machine will also decimate the Bolt on the track so I don't understand what you are getting at because once again most electrics are not made for the track and don't do very well on them.

Then again if you really want to show what a Tesla can do on the track when you take out all the creature comforts you can always look at these:

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/02/21/electric-gt-provides-details-converted-tesla-model-s-p100ds/

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/01/17/electric-gt-tesla-model-s-race-car/

https://electrek.co/2017/03/17/electric-gt-tesla-model-s-p100ds-weight/
 

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Well, technically, Tesla was dethroned.

Dodge Demon Faster Production Car
Um ok. It isn't a production car it is an aftermarket upgrade to a production car that Dodge is doing. They took the passengers seat out and the rear seat, they stripped it down so it is just barely street legal, they used a different type of method to compare the 0-60 times, they gave it an engine that can run on 100 octane fuel and at best they are going to make a little over 3,000 a year. Then again if you think that is a production car you should look at the links I posted above and see what Tesla stipped down version of a production car can do.

Even the headline says the Dodge Demon "COULD" outrun a Tesla.

Here is an updated version to show that Tesla still reign supreme:

http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-s-p100dl-still-quicker-to-60-than-new-2018-dodge-challenger-srt-demon/

The Tesla has been tested many times by every car magazine out there and just about all of them were able to achieve a 2.28 second 0-60 on a stock P100D. No car magazine has been able to test the Demon and no one has been able to independently verify what it can do.
 

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Um ok. It isn't a production car it is an aftermarket upgrade to a production car that Dodge is doing. They took the passengers seat out and the rear seat, they stripped it down so it is just barely street legal, they used a different type of method to compare the 0-60 times, they gave it an engine that can run on 100 octane fuel and at best they are going to make a little over 3,000 a year. Then again if you think that is a production car you should look at the links I posted above and see what Tesla stipped down version of a production car can do.

Even the headline says the Dodge Demon "COULD" outrun a Tesla.

Here is an updated version to show that Tesla still reign supreme:

http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-s-p100dl-still-quicker-to-60-than-new-2018-dodge-challenger-srt-demon/

The Tesla has been tested many times by every car magazine out there and just about all of them were able to achieve a 2.28 second 0-60 on a stock P100D. No car magazine has been able to test the Demon and no one has been able to independently verify what it can do.
I agree that it is a complete publicity stunt by Dodge, but so is the Tesla P100DL's 0-60 mph time. And it is a limited production car, but it is still a production car in the stripped down trim.
 

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I timed the lap shown in the video at 1:56, which matches the comment made. But who says he did a record setting lap? That's about the same lap time as I've done in my DIESEL BMW on street tires (which by the way suffered no overheating in a whole day of lapping).
 

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Um ok. It (Demon) isn't a production car it is ...
The quickest FMVSS/NHTSA smog-legal car for new retail sale in the history of cars. Only certain motorcycles are quicker through the traps.

There is no such thing as 0-60 mph races. We have drag races instead. Today, if you aren't trapping over 130 mph, you are not in the running.

Dodge Demon - 9.65 at more than 140 mph so far. Expect them to go quicker and faster by Dec.

Edit - Note that my friend 'Ranger' ran a stock Corvette Z06 in 2006 to a 10.715 @ 130.32 mph. This was before Tesla claimed to have a car for sale.
In 2009, another Vette fiend push a stock Corvette ZR1 to 10.260 @ 135.35 mph.
Modified, both cars have run 9's or quicker.
 

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I agree that it is a complete publicity stunt by Dodge, but so is the Tesla P100DL's 0-60 mph time. And it is a limited production car, but it is still a production car in the stripped down trim.
And with all 4 seats in it is still slower than the Tesla that isn't stripped down and running on fuel that is only available at the track.
 
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