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I arrived at the area ChargePoint station, nearest in seven miles, and discovered a new Chevy Bolt owner attempting to hook-up for a charge with a Tesla in the adjacent bay. No electricity. The Tesla seemed to be charging fine, but the other side of the charging station was dead. I exchanged places with the Bolt owner, plugged-in my Volt to tempt the station to begin charging. This has happened previously when a Tesla was drawing amps from the ChargePoint station. Electric flow seems to initiate when the Tesla departs. I am wondering whether the draw-down issue arises for other people at charging stations. I repeatedly called ChargePoint concerning technical failures of the station. The telephone call costs me as much as the benefit of the daily charge. The respondent does not seem to have an answer for me. As electric vehicle ownership increases, the demand on the limited infrastructure is problematic. The new Bolt owner, retired, agreed to return during the next day when the Tesla will be gone. The ChargePoint kicked-in later, providing me with a charge before I parked my vehicle and went to bed. All homes in my community of thousands of people are condominiums and the lawyers for the HOA's have banned electric vehicle charging throughout the village. The friction to adoption of electric vehicles continues.
 

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So why do HOAs ban charging? I can understand concerns of people overloading a circuit or the thought that the community shouldn't pay for a few people's fuel, but maybe adding a few chargepoints where people pay for the electricity they use would alleviate the concern. My previous employer purchased over $1M worth charging stations including installation and charged a nominal per/kWh fee for usage. Alas, HOAs probably don't want to budget for then extra cost of installing EVSEs. What you need to find is an attorney with a Tesla who moves into your community.
 

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Sigh. Yes, we're still the 1%, not much chance for broad adoption of services yet. And it's probably going to get worse before it gets better with thousands of Model 3's appearing. Newer L2 ChargePoints can dynamically allocate the power, such that the station can turn down the Telsla by 3.3KW to give that power to the second plug.
 

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So why do HOAs ban charging? I can understand concerns of people overloading a circuit or the thought that the community shouldn't pay for a few people's fuel, but maybe adding a few chargepoints where people pay for the electricity they use would alleviate the concern. My previous employer purchased over $1M worth charging stations including installation and charged a nominal per/kWh fee for usage. Alas, HOAs probably don't want to budget for then extra cost of installing EVSEs. What you need to find is an attorney with a Tesla who moves into your community.
Peruse these stories...
http://communityassociations.net/category/ev/

Personally, I thought this one was rather interesting...:(
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/07/1...e-get-a-permit-laguna-woods-village-hoa-says/

Laguna Woods Village’s Third Mutual on Tuesday, July 18 passed a resolution to make amendments to its plug-in electric vehicle policies and procedures, including fines for unpermitted use of common-area electricity.

The amendments – which include fines for unpermitted plug-in electric vehicles using common-area electricity, unattended extension cords and noncompliant battery chargers – are added to the electric vehicle policy adopted by Third in January that allows residents to use the 120-volt outlets in the common areas for electric vehicles and golf carts.

To use the common-area electricity for electric vehicles, residents must pay a $240 annual fee and obtain a decal.

For unpermitted use of an outlet, the first offense is a $240 fine – and it’s recommended to buy a decal, but not required – with each subsequent offense at $480, Director Burt Baum said.

“Hopefully the penalty of $240 on the first offense is going to discourage (unpermitted electric vehicle owners) from plugging in,” Director Bill Walsh said.

The fine for unattended extension cords is $50 for the first offense, $100 for the second offense and $150 for each subsequent offense. There is no access to the outlets for residents’ guests so far, Director Bert Moldow said.

The resolution was passed 9-1 with Director Jules Zalon opposed. The resolution will be revisited in September to satisfy a 30-day notification period.

Lease rush fee

Third unanimously passed a resolution to increase the lease rush fee from $50 to $100. The fee was increased due to circumstances when Village Management staff is asked to rush the processing of a lease application.

The increased fee will be revisited in September to satisfy a 30-day notification period.

Late charge fee

Third passed a resolution to increase the late charge for unpaid assessments from $20 to $60 for each month.

The resolution passed 8-1-1, with Zalon opposed and Director Bunny Carpenter abstaining. The resolution will be revisited in September to satisfy a 30-day notification period.

Resale report

The average resale price of a condo in Third Mutual in June was $416,978, up from $305,674 in June 2016. Resales year to date numbered 245, up from 240 during the same period in 2016. Sales volume in June was $20 million, up from $12.8 million in June 2016.
 

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I arrived at the area ChargePoint station, nearest in seven miles, and discovered a new Chevy Bolt owner attempting to hook-up for a charge with a Tesla in the adjacent bay. No electricity. The Tesla seemed to be charging fine, but the other side of the charging station was dead. I exchanged places with the Bolt owner, plugged-in my Volt to tempt the station to begin charging. This has happened previously when a Tesla was drawing amps from the ChargePoint station. Electric flow seems to initiate when the Tesla departs. I am wondering whether the draw-down issue arises for other people at charging stations. I repeatedly called ChargePoint concerning technical failures of the station. The telephone call costs me as much as the benefit of the daily charge. The respondent does not seem to have an answer for me. As electric vehicle ownership increases, the demand on the limited infrastructure is problematic. The new Bolt owner, retired, agreed to return during the next day when the Tesla will be gone. The ChargePoint kicked-in later, providing me with a charge before I parked my vehicle and went to bed. All homes in my community of thousands of people are condominiums and the lawyers for the HOA's have banned electric vehicle charging throughout the village. The friction to adoption of electric vehicles continues.
Why not send them an [email protected]
Which opens a case you can follow with your computer

Well...I sent them an email...:)

Can a Tesla charging on one of your units overwhelm it to the point there is no juice available for the second connection?

Because the 2nd connection works if there is NOT a Tesla charging on the other port...

We will get back to you shortly.

Thank you for contacting the ChargePoint team!
 

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I suspect it was a problem with that charge station rather than related to the Tesla draw. ChargePoint stations provide a maximum charge, and you'd think that the station would be designed so that the power supply is adequate to supply the maximum draw for every station. Shouldn't matter if you had a Tesla or a Bolt EV using the other station. Tesla superchargers will choke down the wattage if there are multiple cars charging and the power supply isn't sufficient to cover all of them, but we're talking about a whole more power.

But I'm not an expert in ChargePoint public chargers, and it's not clear whether the station is DC charging, AC charging, or a combination of both.
 

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Peruse these stories...
http://communityassociations.net/category/ev/

Personally, I thought this one was rather interesting...:(
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/07/1...e-get-a-permit-laguna-woods-village-hoa-says/

Laguna Woods Village’s Third Mutual on Tuesday, July 18 passed a resolution to make amendments to its plug-in electric vehicle policies and procedures, including fines for unpermitted use of common-area electricity.

The amendments – which include fines for unpermitted plug-in electric vehicles using common-area electricity, unattended extension cords and noncompliant battery chargers – are added to the electric vehicle policy adopted by Third in January that allows residents to use the 120-volt outlets in the common areas for electric vehicles and golf carts.

To use the common-area electricity for electric vehicles, residents must pay a $240 annual fee and obtain a decal.

For unpermitted use of an outlet, the first offense is a $240 fine – and it’s recommended to buy a decal, but not required – with each subsequent offense at $480, Director Burt Baum said.

“Hopefully the penalty of $240 on the first offense is going to discourage (unpermitted electric vehicle owners) from plugging in,” Director Bill Walsh said.

The fine for unattended extension cords is $50 for the first offense, $100 for the second offense and $150 for each subsequent offense. There is no access to the outlets for residents’ guests so far, Director Bert Moldow said.

The resolution was passed 9-1 with Director Jules Zalon opposed. The resolution will be revisited in September to satisfy a 30-day notification period..
THAT seems perfectly reasonable. $240 ($20 a month) and you get to plug in your EV with apparently unmetered power.
 

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"Sharing Friction". What a great new double entendre!!!
 

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So why do HOAs ban charging?
Because Power Corrupts. HOAs look around for things to regulate.

What you need to find is an attorney with a Tesla who moves into your community.
No. Why would an attorney want to lose money on this kind of case.

You need to vote in people for the HOA who support the people that are paying the bills.
 

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Because Power Corrupts. HOAs look around for things to regulate.



No. Why would an attorney want to lose money on this kind of case.

You need to vote in people for the HOA who support the people that are paying the bills.
I commented negatively against HOA presidents once, got railed on by the forum. So no more Barney Fife references....

The thinking is that if the attorney wants to plug in his Tesla, he'd go up against the HOA pro bono.
 

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Why not send them an [email protected]
Which opens a case you can follow with your computer

Well...I sent them an email...:)

Can a Tesla charging on one of your units overwhelm it to the point there is no juice available for the second connection?

Because the 2nd connection works if there is NOT a Tesla charging on the other port...

We will get back to you shortly.

Thank you for contacting the ChargePoint team!
Well this is their latest response...

Thank you for contacting ChargePoint support!

A number of factors could cause the energy to be 'paused' when connecting to the vehicle. The vehicle could have a charging schedule that is preventing the energy from flowing, or the station could have a shared power function enabled on it to where the energy will lower from 6.6kW to 3.3kW when two vehicles are connected. To review further, we would need the station information to help determine what could be causing that as no vehicle can take all of the power from a station. Would you mind providing me with the following information for me to dig a little deeper?

- Station Name / ID [This would be the best option, but the other two will help as well.]
- Address where station is located
- Business name station is near

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. This ticket will be open until the issue at hand is resolved. Please promptly reply with relevant information for further assistance.

Thank you for being a valued ChargePoint member!
Regards,

Cassii L.
ChargePoint Support
ChargePoint | Chargepoint.com
888-758-4389

... so CopperSnowBoarder...the ball is in your court...:)

This is the final followup message with the Ticket # for you to reference...


I appreciate you sending me the message with the links included as they are helpful. I am not a member of that forum, but if you don't mind sending the email to him that would be greatly appreciated! It seems this may be a rare case, and I would like to help as much as I can. When you send him the information, please have him reference our email chain with Ticket #737920 in the email or subject line should he decide to reach out.

Thank you for contacting ChargePoint support! I will close this ticket out. For additional assistance, please reach out to Driver Support at the number below (24 hours a day), or by email at [email protected].

Thank you for being a valued ChargePoint member!
Regards,

Cassii L.
ChargePoint Support
ChargePoint | Chargepoint.com
888-758-4389
 

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I suspect it was a problem with that charge station rather than related to the Tesla draw. ChargePoint stations provide a maximum charge, and you'd think that the station would be designed so that the power supply is adequate to supply the maximum draw for every station. Shouldn't matter if you had a Tesla or a Bolt EV using the other station. Tesla superchargers will choke down the wattage if there are multiple cars charging and the power supply isn't sufficient to cover all of them, but we're talking about a whole more power.

But I'm not an expert in ChargePoint public chargers, and it's not clear whether the station is DC charging, AC charging, or a combination of both.
The Chargpoint charger with two cords usually has the maximum charging rate of the station and whether it's shared or not on the display screen. I charged at a MD light rail station Saturday, and the station displayed "6.6 Kw shared" so if my Volt charged at 6.6Kw/h and another car plugged in, it would drop to 3.3kw/hr per vehicle.

It's the station that's not functioning properly.
 

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The Chargpoint charger with two cords usually has the maximum charging rate of the station and whether it's shared or not on the display screen. I charged at a MD light rail station Saturday, and the station displayed "6.6 Kw shared" so if my Volt charged at 6.6Kw/h and another car plugged in, it would drop to 3.3kw/hr per vehicle.

It's the station that's not functioning properly.
Unfortunately the Volt only charges at 3.3kw/hr. 6.6 would be nice to cut my $2/hour charging rate at my local charge point in half. But for the last week, I have been able to get free charging from another nearby EVSE, 2 blocks away.
 

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Well this is their latest response...


Interesting, good follow-up. You'd think they'd be able to tell you what was going on, since most people are using phone apps to operate the units... just have a note on the phone say "Car not charging... power is limited due to TOU agreements, will resume at 5pm" etc. Would save a lot of headaches to just keep users informed.

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Unfortunately the Volt only charges at 3.3kw/hr
Sounds like yours is broken :p (sorry, "units" pet peeve)
 

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