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In over 40 years of driving, I've never driven "coast-to-coast" because I simply can't waste that much vacation time driving; I'll fly/rent thanks. But because it can take a day or more for me just to get out of Texas, I still do a lot of long distance driving for business reasons when time is a very important and even the "fast" supercharger network would mean waaaaay too much down time.

For me, a BEV is a (great) daily driver or regional traveller while a PHEV or ICE (gasps!!!) is a more appropriate long distance vehicle. I think that's how every manufacturer, except Tesla of course, view the current tech. and market. Gotta' solve that quick-fill issue.
 

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In over 40 years of driving, I've never driven "coast-to-coast" because I simply can't waste that much vacation time driving; I'll fly/rent thanks. But because it can take a day or more for me just to get out of Texas, I still do a lot of long distance driving for business reasons when time is a very important and even the "fast" supercharger network would mean waaaaay too much down time.

For me, a BEV is a (great) daily driver or regional traveller while a PHEV or ICE (gasps!!!) is a more appropriate long distance vehicle. I think that's how every manufacturer, except Tesla of course, view the current tech. and market. Gotta' solve that quick-fill issue.
With us, unless we must haul a trailer or cargo, we fly. Even in ICE vehicles with 700 mile ranges. Time is important. No matter how fast you refuel, you're only going an average of 50-60 mph door to door when traveling over 1,000 miles. You eat, use bathrooms, stop for kicks, encounter traffic, etc. Jets go 10 times faster.

Even if EVs could haul cargo or heavy trailers and refuel just as fast as ICE, they still don't go 500 kts.
But there are no real heavy hauler in the EV market.
 

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I guess you must have missed the news about Toshiba's new wonder battery : recharges in as little as 6 minutes for a 32kWhr pack (presumably the entire pack could be recharged in parallel at the same speed), last for 5,000 recharge cycles with only a 10% capacity loss (versus 20% for li ions at 8 years) - that's over a million miles of driving. Also their size and weight is half of today's li ion batteries.
 

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In over 40 years of driving, I've never driven "coast-to-coast" because I simply can't waste that much vacation time driving; I'll fly/rent thanks. But because it can take a day or more for me just to get out of Texas, I still do a lot of long distance driving for business reasons when time is a very important and even the "fast" supercharger network would mean waaaaay too much down time.

For me, a BEV is a (great) daily driver or regional traveller while a PHEV or ICE (gasps!!!) is a more appropriate long distance vehicle. I think that's how every manufacturer, except Tesla of course, view the current tech. and market. Gotta' solve that quick-fill issue.
Well, it can be done in a little over 2 days...:)

Two guys did a coast-to-coast ‘Cannonball Run’ in a Tesla Model S for a new record
51 hours and 47 minutes

https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
 

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This is a nice piece of information. I've seen at least one BMW i3 using a Tesla destination charger and that was a year or two ago. I assume you could also use this for a Volt.

However, usually when you find a Tesla destination charger you also find a J1772 charger, so the advantage is not that great. One exception to this rule that I know of is La Posada in Winslow AZ. Don't ask me how I know this (I think now if you contact La Posada before you arrive it will provide an adapter). But other than this one location I've always found a J1772 charger.
 

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With us, unless we must haul a trailer or cargo, we fly. Even in ICE vehicles with 700 mile ranges. Time is important. No matter how fast you refuel, you're only going an average of 50-60 mph door to door when traveling over 1,000 miles. You eat, use bathrooms, stop for kicks, encounter traffic, etc. Jets go 10 times faster.
Plus 20 minutes waiting for the taxi to turn up, 30 minutes to the airport, 45 minutes through security, 30 minutes farting around in the waiting area for boarding to be called because TSA might have been a 75 minute ordeal instead of 45, 20 minutes filling the plane and getting the security briefing, 10 minutes taxiing to the runway, 10 minutes for taking off and getting to cruise heading and now you're travelling ten times faster, with a 2.5 hour deficit to make up. On the other end, 10 minutes in approach/landing, 10 minutes taxiing, 20 getting off the plane, 20 walking through the airport, 30 in a cab, and you're finally where you're going to be going, with four hours burned just dealing with "plane". For any trip of less than 300 miles, driving is literally faster than flying, door to door.

(Assumptions: 50 MPH average pace from driveway to destination, which includes street level travelling, stops and rest breaks but not sit-down meals or sleeping.)
 

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I think it's funny how the biggest Tesla hater/ troll on this site is excited to be using the Tesla charging network!
Hey TSLA fanboi, I have no problem promoting Tesla if it means non-Tesla owners can learn about how to start taking advantage of Tesla stations and start enjoying the fruits of Elon's kindness. :) I'm sure Tesla owners will be happy more EV owners can take advantage of their once exclusive destination charging network. :D
 

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This is a nice piece of information. I've seen at least one BMW i3 using a Tesla destination charger and that was a year or two ago. I assume you could also use this for a Volt.

However, usually when you find a Tesla destination charger you also find a J1772 charger, so the advantage is not that great. One exception to this rule that I know of is La Posada in Winslow AZ. Don't ask me how I know this (I think now if you contact La Posada before you arrive it will provide an adapter). But other than this one location I've always found a J1772 charger.
Yep, pretty much ANY EV owner can use a Tesla destination charging station if they acquire that adapter.

While most (not all) Tesla destination stations also include a J1772 unit as well, some only have Tesla stations that this adapter will unlock for non-Tesla owners. But even if a site has say 1 J1772 and 2-3 Tesla stations, the # of charging outlets available a Bolt/Volt/Leaf/any other EV owner can use has suddenly multiplied!
 

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One legal issue arises: theft of services. I doubt that Tesla intends to pay for electricity to charge all electric vehicles. I experienced a rude act at Whole Foods recently. A Nissan Leaf owner disconnected a ChargePoint cable from my vehicle and plugged it into his vehicle. I suppose it is the same kind of selfish reasoning that motivates those people who pass me at illegal speeds, driving into on-coming traffic, crossing double-yellow lines on blind curves. Two fatalities this year already on one little stretch of curving mountain road and the added danger of winter conditions have not yet arrived.
 

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One legal issue arises: theft of services. I doubt that Tesla intends to pay for electricity to charge all electric vehicles. I experienced a rude act at Whole Foods recently. A Nissan Leaf owner disconnected a ChargePoint cable from my vehicle and plugged it into his vehicle. I suppose it is the same kind of selfish reasoning that motivates those people who pass me at illegal speeds, driving into on-coming traffic, crossing double-yellow lines on blind curves. Two fatalities this year already on one little stretch of curving mountain road and the added danger of winter conditions have not yet arrived.
Uh, what? Tesla doesn't pay for any electricity for these destination charging stations. The establishment covers all charging costs. The only thing Tesla does is provide equipment and perhaps subsidize some of the install costs. All electricity is 100% paid for by the property. Tesla doesn't pay jack for destination charging electricity fees.
 

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One legal issue arises: theft of services. I doubt that Tesla intends to pay for electricity to charge all electric vehicles.
I think it's funny how the biggest Tesla hater/ troll on this site is excited to be using the Tesla charging network!
Seems like we have some misunderstandings about the chargers. This is NOT the Tesla charging network. These are private chargers that use Tesla equipment. His blog post makes that very clear. It's no more or less objectionable than a Tesla using a CHAdeMO charger.
 

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Seems like we have some misunderstandings about the chargers. This is NOT the Tesla charging network. These are private chargers that use Tesla equipment. His blog post makes that very clear. It's no more or less objectionable than a Tesla using a CHAdeMO charger.
It's about the same as a Tesla using a free CHAdeMO at a Nissan dealership or a free level 2 charger at a GM dealer. Admittedly, I have read of folks doing this, and even some dealers seeming to welcome it.
 

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It's about the same as a Tesla using a free CHAdeMO at a Nissan dealership or a free level 2 charger at a GM dealer. Admittedly, I have read of folks doing this, and even some dealers seeming to welcome it.
The destination chargers I've run across have all been reserved for hotel guests, so more of an include than a freebie. If you don't stay I'm not sure how useful it would be since the power is about 15 kW at best. A twenty minute charge wouldn't get you far.
 

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The destination chargers I've run across have all been reserved for hotel guests, so more of an include than a freebie. If you don't stay I'm not sure how useful it would be since the power is about 15 kW at best. A twenty minute charge wouldn't get you far.
And none of the non-Tesla cars available in the US can take more than about 7 kW as far as I know. (Maybe the RAV4, with it's Tesla based internals?)

There are a lot of restaurants with destination chargers, too, but your point is certainly valid - even a dual charger Tesla on a best case destination charger (240V @ 80A) is only going to get about 60 miles of range during an hour long extended meal.
 

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I experienced a rude act at Whole Foods recently. A Nissan Leaf owner disconnected a ChargePoint cable from my vehicle and plugged it into his vehicle. I suppose it is the same kind of selfish reasoning that motivates people.
I will respectfully disagree here.

The Leaf owner may have needed to juice to get home. As a Volt owner, we do not NEED to charge. Any Charging that takes place away from your home Is Opportunity charging as opposed to Necessity charging.

If you think it was RUDE for the leaf owner to unplug you. You should probably look in the mirror. He may have needed it you did not, you were simply opportunity charging to begin with. I don’t know how long you planned to be at Whole foods, but you would be lucky to get 5 miles of range in 30 minutes on a L2 EVSE

Perhaps you should consider getting one of these:

http://www.electriccarpledge.com/electric-vehicle-charging-hang-tags/

Use the green side to communicate that its OK to unplug due to Opportunity Charging.

One of the peeves I here from Leaf owners is getting ICED by Volt owners that don’t NEED the juice.

Of course these situations typically happen due to the Lack of multiple EV chargers at a said location to begin with.
 

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Ignorant question: if you're paying for a Chargepoint session, does the fact you unplug then replug into a different car cancel the session? Could someone steal your paid session by unplugging you? If this was Coppersnowboarder's case, I can understand the upset. Even if the Leaf needed the charge, that's no excuse to steal someone's paid charging session. I don't think this was the case because L2 on the Volt is way too slow to warrant paying for a charge IMO. Better to just burn gas. I don't want people touching my car (liability concern for everyone) so if I opportune charged my old Volt, I'd stay with it so anyone who showed up I'd offer up my cable.
 

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I will respectfully disagree here.

The Leaf owner may have needed to juice to get home. As a Volt owner, we do not NEED to charge. Any Charging that takes place away from your home Is Opportunity charging as opposed to Necessity charging.

If you think it was RUDE for the leaf owner to unplug you. You should probably look in the mirror. He may have needed it you did not, you were simply opportunity charging to begin with. I don’t know how long you planned to be at Whole foods, but you would be lucky to get 5 miles of range in 30 minutes on a L2 EVSE

Perhaps you should consider getting one of these:

http://www.electriccarpledge.com/electric-vehicle-charging-hang-tags/

Use the green side to communicate that its OK to unplug due to Opportunity Charging.

One of the peeves I here from Leaf owners is getting ICED by Volt owners that don’t NEED the juice.

Of course these situations typically happen due to the Lack of multiple EV chargers at a said location to begin with.
Maybe you should read the tag you hyped...:rolleyes:
Good Electric Charging Etiquette
  • Never park in a charging space if you are not charging.
  • When charging in public locations, limit your charge, don't charge to your limit. Move on so others have the opportunity to charge.
  • Never uplug<sic> another vehicle without persmission<sic>.
 
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