[Steverino]

Governor signed an executive order that directs the California Air Resources Board to establish regulations requiring that all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California in 2035 be zero-emission vehicles.

Used gas powered cars can still be sold.

Other agencies will be directed to support the development of zero-emission vehicle charging stations, and medium- and heavy-duty trucks will be mandated to be zero-emission by 2045 where feasible.

Newsom bans new gas cars — and begs Trump for a fight

The Democratic governor announced he is directing the California Air Resources Board to establish regulations requiring that all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California in 2035 be zero-emission vehicles.

www.politico.com

 

[obermd]

This one may be too far with the current Clean Air Act. The CAA allows California to set stricter emissions standards but they must also be approved by the EPA.

Note - I'm all in favor of doing this, just that it may not be legally possible in the US.

 

[Steverino]

The loophole for used cars seems to leave the door wide open. At what point is the car considered used? One title change? 1000 miles? 3 months old? Dealer "Used Car" department may look a lot like a new car department.

 

[supchrgamx]

California governor orders ban on sale of gas-only cars within 15 years

www.msn.com

signed the order on an electric mustang

 

[larry4pyro2]

The loophole for used cars seems to leave the door wide open. At what point is the car considered used? One title change? 1000 miles? 3 months old? Dealer "Used Car" department may look a lot like a new car department.

They will still have to pass Smog Inspection in order to update their registration. As the car ages it becomes increasingly more difficult to pass due to ICE wear, fewer shops to maintain ICEs and availability of spare parts.

 

[Steverino]

They will still have to pass Smog Inspection in order to update their registration. As the car ages it becomes increasingly more difficult to pass due to ICE wear, fewer shops to maintain ICEs and availability of spare parts.

Agreed. But regarding not being able to buy a new ICE in CA when this takes affect, I think you'll see a lot of once titled, 100 mile odometer, almost new cars being sold instead to get around the "New" restriction. The new cars will get greenwashed through an intermediary in another state. A PITA and extra cost but many will likely take that route I think.

 

[Bill Step]

maybe CA as broke as they are should fix their power grid or that whole state will be blacked out.

 

[obermd]

maybe CA as broke as they are should fix their power grid or that whole state will be blacked out.

Big Fossill Fuel (oil, gas, coal) is blaming these blackouts on green energy. The reality is California has been having these blackouts for decades now, every summer like clockwork. They're the result of mismanagement, both at the political and corporate level, of power production, what little California actually has, and transmission capability. California hasn't allowed sufficient long haul transmission lines to be built in a long time. Locally produced energy from solar, wind, and waves may be their only hope to resolve this problem.

 

[Whatstreet]

All new California residential construction must include solar panels as of last January. Wiring for EV charging has been required for a few years now. The intentional power shutoffs for wild fire safety and rolling blackouts during heat waves will encourage solar and backup battery installation. The power company is no longer a reliable supplier of power.

 

[Steverino]

Like the Volt having two energy sources (wall, gasoline), a home having solar and grid can make you and the system more fault tolerant. Backup natural gas electric generators are another option, though still using a fossil fuel.

California requiring solar and garage EV power outlets show leadership in my opinion. Like seismic retrofitting, there will likely be a trickle down to older homes as a plus for resale.

 

[obermd]

The one energy source I think southern and coastal California should avoid is nuclear. Too much risk of earthquakes.

 

[Steverino]

Perhaps a thorium-salt reactor addresses the concern? This is a type of molten-salt reactor, and it promises a safer kind of nuclear power. It's designed to protect itself against meltdown, and it's also not as easy to weaponize like uranium. Have physicists found the key to safer nuclear power?

 

[obermd]

Perhaps a thorium-salt reactor addresses the concern? This is a type of molten-salt reactor, and it promises a safer kind of nuclear power. It's designed to protect itself against meltdown, and it's also not as easy to weaponize like uranium. Have physicists found the key to safer nuclear power?

No modern reactor will melt down - they all use gravity to squelch the reaction should the power holding the fuel rods in place fail. The issue in California is containment building structure to prevent radiation from being released into the atmosphere during an earthquake.

 

[srmarti]

If people keep moving out of CA, it might not matter what sort of regulations they have.

 

[Steverino]

If people keep moving out of CA, it might not matter what sort of regulations they have.

Those left would be very happy. Home price might finally gain some sanity. It's a sellers market when you can demand cash for $1 million "starter" homes sold as-is and need work.

 

[supchrgamx]

No modern reactor will melt down - they all use gravity to squelch the reaction should the power holding the fuel rods in place fail. The issue in California is containment building structure to prevent radiation from being released into the atmosphere during an earthquake.

they still need cooling after the rods are set for decay heat, Fukushima Daiichi

 

[obermd]

they still need cooling after the rods are set for decay heat, Fukushima Daiichi

True, but the emergency "China Meltdown" syndrome that drives most anti-nuke fears is no longer possible. Fukushima also showed why you don't want to put reactors in earthquake prone regions.

 

[begreen]

they still need cooling after the rods are set for decay heat, Fukushima Daiichi

Modern, Gen IV designs don't rely on pumps for this emergency cooling. Instead they rely on gravity draining cooling water from elevated storage tanks to send it through the reactor core. The core and cooling systems are not pressurized. The reactor is designed so that overheating actually reduces, rather than increases, the power output of the core.

 

[supchrgamx]

Modern, Gen IV designs don't rely on pumps for this emergency cooling. Instead they rely on gravity draining cooling water from elevated storage tanks to send it through the reactor core. The core and cooling systems are not pressurized. The reactor is designed so that overheating actually reduces, rather than increases, the power output of the core.

cool
don't think any gen 4 reactors are in operation yet
correct me if i'm wrong

 

[begreen]

That's right. There have been demonstration prototypes, but no large production facilities yet. They are expected to show up in this decade. We'll see.