[bro1999]

http://www.autonews.com/article/201...-of-complaints-from-calif?X-IgnoreUserAgent=1

Tesla was warned previously about "bird dog fees" in 2015. Guess Tesla didn't heed the warning.

 

[obermd]

So finders' fees are illegal in California when it comes to cars.

 

[Steverino]

The Car Dealer Cartel doesn't like Tesla.

 

[11715]

Neither does Bro.

 

[Mister Dave]

AUTOMOBILE SALES FINANCE ACT (Rees-Levering Act) - CC 2981-2984.5

CHAPTER 2b.

2982.1. It shall be unlawful for any seller to induce or attempt to induce any person to enter into a contract subject to this chapter by offering a rebate, discount, commission, or other consideration, contingent upon the happening of a future event, on the condition that the buyer either sells, or gives information or assistance for the purpose of leading to a sale by the seller of, the same or related goods.

 

[Steverino]

Neither does Bro.

I like Tesla. If it weren't for them, no one would know GM even made an electric car.

 

[llninja]

I like Tesla. If it weren't for them, no one would know GM even made an electric car.

Shhhh. We have to keep this America's best kept automotive secret.

So what if Tesla changed their program to give everybody else in the US this deal except Californians? You'd have a bunch of angry and powerful Tesla owners beating up the state government to get this law changed so they can get their discount.

 

[Tomt]

The California Car Dealers need to go pound sand! They are why we also can't get over the air updates!

 

[Qinsp]

The California Car Dealers need to go pound sand! They are why we also can't get over the air updates!

OTA has been used on GM products with OnStar and also specifically reprogramming the Cadillac ATS headlight system, which is a safety system.

I do not think OTA updates are dealer assoc related. I think it's more security and bandwidth issues.
Tesla right now can afford to reflash 200,000 cars that sold for $100k ATP. And they have had their cars stolen by wifi methods.
Do you think Tesla could afford to set up a system to reflash 100,000,000 cars globally at a $30k ATP?

But understand that Tesla does not have an option. All their cars must be flashed since they are sold in a not-fully-functional configuration and they do not test their software to the level that most companies do. They are more like a 'free-ware games' level of product testing, not like cars.
Since they have so few service sites, and have stopped any service competition, they physically cannot service their cars programming.

I can reflash my GM products in my garage with any available library configuration. I can see the entire service manual and parts list. I can buy special tools. Tesla owners have none of those abilities.

 

[obermd]

The Car Dealer Cartel doesn't like Tesla.

Agreed. When GM went through their bankruptcy they were sued by the Auto Dealers Association because GM wanted to drop poorly rated dealerships.

 

[madmike]

I wish dealers would spend time thinking of ways to provide good consistent service.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Do you think Tesla could afford to set up a system to reflash 100,000,000 cars globally at a $30k ATP?

Cost would depend on location but in countries with well-developed networks, the cost of data is in pennies per GB. Cost per car would be minimal. Owner pays for a bunch of the cost. My Volt and Prius have both had software updates under warranty that meant the manufacturer had to pay a dealer employee to do the work. My colleague's C-Max Energi needed warranty-covered software updates to fix a 12V problem and it took multiple tries.

It just takes investment to get the updates right so you have a very low bricking ratio.