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BP buying 50% stake in Brazilian ethanol producer:

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As I stated years ago, trading oil for ethanol just trades one pusher for another pusher. All those nasty things you say about big oil will now be said of big agriculture, big electricity and big battery.
At the very least, we'll finally have some OPTIONS. That has to help.
 

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Ethanol is not a good option... taking food to make oil is not a solution.

I know I'm going to get flame for this, but the reality is if you look at the energy needed to create ethanol versus the energy generated by ethanol, there is not that much new energy created.

And it put even more presure on the food chain...

There are new ways of getting Ethanol without using food, those methode makes sence for me, but once again we are taking the easy root by using food.
 

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Ethanol is not a good option... taking food to make oil is not a solution.
I know I'm going to get flame for this, but the reality is if you look at the energy needed to create ethanol versus the energy generated by ethanol, there is not that much new energy created.
And it put even more presure on the food chain...
There are new ways of getting Ethanol without using food, those methode makes sence for me, but once again we are taking the easy root by using food.
Costka has a process that uses anything that would normally go into a landfill to make $1/gal ethanol. It IS an option, and when electricity is added, it puts downward pressure on oil.
 

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I don't see how your comment contredics mine, I say "an option only if food is not used"

What you mentionned are only one of too few examples of what makes ethanol viable and a long term solution. But at the moment, most ethanol comes from food. At least in Brazil they use sugar to create ethanol, it is food, but we all gain by having less sugar in our diet ;). But using corn impact the food chain.
 

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frankyb,
I'm not trying to contradict you. I'm just pointing out that cellulosic ethanol does not impact or require food.
 

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frankyb,
I'm not trying to contradict you. I'm just pointing out that cellulosic ethanol does not impact or require food.
;) But they are still exploring that avenue, there isn't large scale operation as far as I know, may be in European North Country and I know it is also being looked at in Quebec but we far from real production.

Until then, I'll be very critical about Ethanol, it is not the miracle that some would like everybody to think.
 
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