[bro1999]

With 9 days left in the selling month (including Black Friday weekend), it's a good bet a number of Bolt EVs will be moving off dealer lots. Earlier this month, I looked at Cars.com and saw there were around 4,400-4,500 Bolts listed as in stock. I checked again today, and a little over 3,800 are listed on Cars.com. If we assume Bolts are being churned out at the Orion factory at least as fast as the months leading up to the national release, it shows a significant dent in inventory despite continued production.

Basically, I think we're just about guaranteed for a 3,000+ result this month. With the uncertainty with the EV tax credit as the GOP House tries to kill it prematurely, it'll be interesting to see how many Bolts are sold in December. I think 4k+ could be in play! If GM makes enough, that is.

 

[BAZINGA]

My local dealer has nine Bolt's (had 10) and he has them discounted at $5500 off MSRP and will honor the GM Military Discount if you qualify. On my Volt that was worth another $1100, so someone could buy a 2017 Bolt for about $6600 off MSRP.

You can see these vehicles at Jack Schmitt Chevrolet in O Fallon IL, tell them Tom sent you. BTW I bought all three of my Volt's from them. They have a great service dept too.

 

[Norton]

My local dealer... Bolts ...has them discounted at $5500 off MSRP ... so someone could buy a 2017 Bolt for about $6600 off MSRP.
... Chevrolet in O Fallon IL ....

Wow !!

Too lazy/busy to look now.
Could I drive one home to KC and only DCFC?

Thanks for the tip !

 

[stuart22]

A couple of weeks ago I predicted November sales in the high 3000's, and won't be surprised should it push into the 4000's at year's end. I finally decided to grit my teeth (being not a fan of its front seats) and buy one, so add me to the tally for November.

 

[Jim Fallston Md.]

I also have been looking at cars.com on a daily basis and some days the total goes up by about 300-5000 and some days it goes down a few hundred. So I am optimistic we will see higher numbers for the Bolt and possibly the Volt with tax credit on the chopping block.

 

[plug&play]

WOW!!! Chevy is killing it..... NOT.

3,000+ Bolts is not enough. They need to sell a lot more, I am thinking like 20,000-30,000 a month. At this price this car will never sell more that 3,000-4,000 a month.

Price needs to come down significantly, I am thinking at least $10k.

I looked at this car couple of weeks ago, although the electric drive was impressive everything else on this car was average. This does not look like a $37,000 car. Not even close. First impressions make a big difference and this car does not have that.

I know prices will come down on these cars as battery prices drop, but even then this car will still not be worth the asking price. What I mean by that is lets say the battery on this car cost $10,000 per pack ($145 per KWh * 60 KWh + packaging and cooling) and if by some miracle LG and GM are able to cut the cost in half to $5,000 per pack this car would still be listed at $32,000. This car is still not worth $32,000.

GM is asking way too much for this car.

 

[hellsop]

Wow !!

Too lazy/busy to look now.
Could I drive one home to KC and only DCFC?

Thanks for the tip !

Not easily. You'd need a full charge leaving from the EvGo charger in Wentzville, keep it under 65, and try to pick a day without much wind from the west...

 

[Loboc]

Wow !!

Too lazy/busy to look now.
Could I drive one home to KC and only DCFC?

Thanks for the tip !

Just borrow a duelly diesel pickup with car trailer.

Or drive the 260+ miles very efficiently.

 

[bro1999]

WOW!!! Chevy is killing it..... NOT.

3,000+ Bolts is not enough. They need to sell a lot more, I am thinking like 20,000-30,000 a month. At this price this car will never sell more that 3,000-4,000 a month.

Price needs to come down significantly, I am thinking at least $10k.

I looked at this car couple of weeks ago, although the electric drive was impressive everything else on this car was average. This does not look like a $37,000 car. Not even close. First impressions make a big difference and this car does not have that.

I know prices will come down on these cars as battery prices drop, but even then this car will still not be worth the asking price. What I mean by that is lets say the battery on this car cost $10,000 per pack ($145 per KWh * 60 KWh + packaging and cooling) and if by some miracle LG and GM are able to cut the cost in half to $5,000 per pack this car would still be listed at $32,000. This car is still not worth $32,000.

GM is asking way too much for this car.

If only GM was, like.....planning to come out with more EVs in the near future or something.

 

[Loboc]

WOW!!! Chevy is killing it..... NOT.

3,000+ Bolts is not enough. They need to sell a lot more, I am thinking like 20,000-30,000 a month. At this price this car will never sell more that 3,000-4,000 a month.

Price needs to come down significantly, I am thinking at least $10k.

I looked at this car couple of weeks ago, although the electric drive was impressive everything else on this car was average. This does not look like a $37,000 car. Not even close. First impressions make a big difference and this car does not have that.

I know prices will come down on these cars as battery prices drop, but even then this car will still not be worth the asking price. What I mean by that is lets say the battery on this car cost $10,000 per pack ($145 per KWh * 60 KWh + packaging and cooling) and if by some miracle LG and GM are able to cut the cost in half to $5,000 per pack this car would still be listed at $32,000. This car is still not worth $32,000.

GM is asking way too much for this car.

It's a 29,500 car after the federal tax credit. Some dealers are offering $5500 on the hood. That makes it 24,000. With the savings in fuel and maintenance, it will be a better TCO than any other 24,000 car. Add up everything not just the initial price.

 

[plug&play]

"It's a 29,500 car after the federal tax credit. Some dealers are offering $5500 on the hood. That makes it 24,000. With the savings in fuel and maintenance, it will be a better TCO than any other 24,000 car. Add up everything not just the initial price. "

You and me (and everyone else on this forum) understands that EVs have better TCO than any other car in the same price range but regular people do not see it that way. They go to a dealer or GM's website and see a sticker price of $37,500 and are turned off immediately. TCO is not being promoted by dealers. I am not sure they now them selves either.

Tax credits will not be around much longer so I would not count on that (either beginning of next year or a year or so from now). Plus not everyone is able to take advantage of the full tax credit.

 

[plug&play]

"If only GM was, like.....planning to come out with more EVs in the near future or something. "

What the Buick Bolt?
That is not going to help them sell more EVs. Buick Bolt will be more expensive than the Chevy Bolt. This contradicts the whole argument I am trying to make, we need cheaper Bolts not more expansive.

The Model 3 is too expensive as well. The Nissan leaf is expensive as well (although much better then Bolt and Model 3).

 

[Steverino]

You and me (and everyone else on this forum) understands that EVs have better TCO than any other car in the same price range but regular people do not see it that way.

You have a point. I remember when Texans (probably others too!) in response to government efficiency mandates for lighting started hoarding cheap, inefficient incandescent light bulbs in fear of big government CFL and LEDs, lol. LED's were/are more expensive upfront, though prices have fallen with increased production, competition, and people abandoning nostalgia for hot, burning, energy wasting bulbs invented 140 years ago. Talking about lifetime cost of ownership, showing facts on how "cheap" incandescent bulbs were way more expensive over their lifetime fell on deaf ears. Today they'd be yelling fake news, haha.

The ICE is like that. hot, inefficient, wasteful and was also invented about 140 years ago. Like LED's, it will take people time to embrace the new energy vehicles and discover that TCO is as good if not better than the old school ICE. And as production volume increase and competition increases the tide will turn.

 

[Henry_FL]

I traded the 2013 Volt for a 2017 Bolt Premier today, got ~5500 off with nothing more than a few emails to the local dealer. So add one to the November Bolt sales.

 

[VoltenRock]

I looked at Cars.com

I would not rely on Cars.com for accurate numbers. They are probably the "best" out of a sorry bunch, but nowhere near accurate nor comprehensive. They list cars in transit, cars already sold, hell they still list a "NEW" 2011 Volt for sale https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/93981341/overview/#seller-details

Might give you a rough number, but I'm not sure what we can make of it.