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Bolt EV leading Tesla in AV's, with Google the leader?

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An article at 'Seeking Alpha' reviews and cites formal data submitted to California by companies testing self driving cars in CA.

Data shows tesla =1 disengagement (human intervention) every 3 miles, GM/Cruise = 1 disengagement every 54 miles average for year, but reaching nearly 1 in 400 in last month of testing with Bolts.. Google leads

here's the link:

The title is 'The Tesla Self-Driving Dreams Are Just That... Dreams'
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You really gotta love news reports like this that are so bad they are good.

First Tesla only submitted their self driving cars data for the new generation cameras and radars that they had just installed on the Model X that was being tested back in October/November when this report was sent to California. Second this only counts the driving that was done in California. Third this was on a production car during its testing phase with software that was still under construction. Do you want to bet how far Tesla's software has come in the last couple months or where it will be in the next couple?
The fact that Tesla actually has cars out in the wild with the capabilities to drive autonomously once it is enabled all the while mapping and learning during its hundreds of millions of miles of road use and you really think that a car no one can buy using equipment that isn't even put into the vehicle is somehow ahead of Tesla?
You can't compare Tesla's highway Lane Keep + ACC assistance with Google's autonomous driving.
Sure you can. The only thing you can't compare is Google's autonomous driving because the only people that can use Google's autonomous driving is Google.

Here is a video of what the current production car is capable of with the new autopilot sensors once the software has been activated. Mind you this is back in November of last year and I am sure they have done A LOT more testing since then:

digging further, i went to the autonomous vehicle thread on the tesla motor club forum, and found the following post. There are many more pro and con comments there re the state of Tesla self driving - sorry i cannot seem to add a link, but recommend you go there.

Here's the post:

NerdUno, Jan 30, 2017
I just sent the following note to Tesla, but wanted to alert others to some of the problems we have experienced with AP2...

We have 17.3.2 and have used AutoSteer extensively on a number of interstate highways since its initial release. Primitive would be an understatement. Here's what we have encountered. On a straight road with no cars, AP2 appears to work satisfactorily at 45 MPH. On a road which curves leaving the vehicle driving into the sun even with human-readable lane markings that remain easy to decipher with the naked eye, the car is worse than dangerous. The car immediately zig zags from lane to lane with no realization that vehicles may be in the other lanes, even beside the car. On highways with exit ramps, AP2 always follows the exit ramp if you are in the right lane even without a right turn signal and even with clearly marked dotted lines on left side of the lane and even if following a vehicle proceeding straight ahead. AP2 still slams on the brakes when approaching almost any (stationary) overhead sign on an interstate.

I appreciate that AP1 code needed tweaking for the new hardware, but AP2 really leaves the impression that the developers started over... and have not progressed even to the level of what most would consider safe driving. There really should be more warnings and alerts regarding documented problems for those that are expecting a safer driving experience. A traffic fatality would be a huge setback for Tesla, not to mention the poor driver.
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Digging further I searched for sites that let us know what the consumers for the autonomous Bolt and Google cars were capable of. Funny I found zero references but maybe that is because there isn't a single working production car that either has to offer. We don't even know if they can even stay in a lane or exit a ramp because there is no car out there for anyone to test and I guarantee that none of the engineers are going to talk negative about what the cars are can't do. So, in all reality the Tesla is leaps and bounds ahead of a product that we don't even truly know can drive by itself.

Tesla is taking their autopilot slow and unlike all the others they are learning at an exponential rate as every car they sell provides information and feedback on the autopilot system. With the advent of the model 3 and the hundreds of thousands of drivers that will hit the road. Tesla will accumulate the hundreds of Million to Billions of miles quickly taking them far ahead of any competitor that has sensors installed on the top of their cars driven by professional drivers.

I can attest that the AP in the older tesla's works very well and with the advent of more cameras better sensors and 100X faster computer they put into the newer ones it will work and function even better.
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