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The Tier 3 standard may now have legs:

"Car companies have lobbied for the federal government to adopt California rules requiring cleaner fuel, partly because the amount of sulfur in current blends can foul up catalytic converters and partly because they don't want to deal with a patchwork of standards. California's third round of Low Emission Vehicle rules, known as LEV 3, is seen as a model for a new nationwide "Tier 3" standard from the EPA, but the idea has drawn resistance from oil refiners, which have a formidable lobby on Capitol Hill and rarely agree with the Obama administration.
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Obama's appointees must now decide whether cleaner-burning fuel is important enough for automakers and public health to justify costs on refiners that might add a few cents to the price of a gallon of gasoline."
Obama's second term: More EVs, safety
Administration ready for new push on boosting fuel economy

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20121107/CARNEWS/121109872
 

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If they could combine this with removing the ethanol subsidies it would be great. Ethanol lowers mpg, is not green, raises food prices and its removal should help manufacturers meet the new cafe standards. A national standard for all gas and auto regulations should be positive since refineries and manufacturers will not have to adjust operations to suit 50 different states and could perhaps lower cost.
 

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Hopefully, with mass production of CA blends it would only add a few cents. Not the case now, we pay dearly for our special blends with some of the highest prices in the nation. When refinery's are down, we can't buy from neighboring states. Would be good for us if it were a nationwide standard. Wouldn't be on our own island anymore.
 

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If they could combine this with removing the ethanol subsidies it would be great. Ethanol lowers mpg, is not green, raises food prices and its removal should help manufacturers meet the new cafe standards. A national standard for all gas and auto regulations should be positive since refineries and manufacturers will not have to adjust operations to suit 50 different states and could perhaps lower cost.
Ethanol blenders' subsidy did end in 2012.
http://www.agriculture.com/news/business/end-is-nigh-f-ethol-blenders-credit_5-ar21353

I do use a greener gasoline. It's called electricity :) Not only that but when in CS-mode, the Volt is greener than my old Mazda 6 which was 27 mpg at best on the hwy. Love the 42 mpg on the hwy in the Volt - even when it's cold out. Doesn't suffer like the CD-mode mileage drop.
 

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Like ULSD diesel, altering gasoline requirements will have hidden and unforseen consequences.

My take is if the government wants to do this they should instead associate ths new gasoline with a grade and type and an add compaign.
AKA if the station wants to sell (for example) mid grade 89 octane it should be required to follow this new
rule and display an ULSG or some type of green emblem.
Same could be done with 87 octane having a green emblem but associating this new fuel with a grade could make the public more aware of it existing and get by in.

Then add to the cars manual that the car requires this spec (whatever it is) if the vehicle actually benefits from the fuel.

This will offset the responsibility to the public and remove profit motive partially to those who own newer vehicles that require the spec.

The trouble if it is not done this way is that it is a new excuse to jack up prices and since our market is based not on supply or demand but on feelings and the "middle man stock market" this could royally screw the public.

I think it would be far better to make this change in combination with a dissolving of Reagans wonderfull oil marketplace that adds a bunch of middle men and jacks up prices. Also dissolve the failed policy of selling nearly all US crude overseas and buying back the lower grade crap from the cheapest 3rd world country made on the oldest most obsolete equipment.

We are world renowned for having low grade crappy gasoline (ask any european) but if we start using higher quality fuel stocks (with less heavy fillers in the fuel) you can bet that the price will go up, even if only for spite.
One has to wonder though? How can it cost less to ship our crude 2000+ miles and buy back lower grade stuff shipped another 2000+ miles to our coast?

This new "Grade" of gasoline has little benefit on older cars so it would not be a good choice to mandate 100% but a mandate similar to ethanol mandates whereby a certain percentage must be this fuel nationwide would enforce it being available to the public and depending on the economics the station might see it as beneficial to carry across the board so they don't need to carry 2 types of fuel.

In other words, tread lightly and let the market decide.

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Ryan
 
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