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Excellent! Desperation is the first sign of a losing battle. Good luck fighting the tsunami of new energy.
 

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Sadly, there are enough idiots in the world who believe everything they see on the internet (or selectively believe what they want to believe, then call everything else fake). It would be interesting to evaluate how many people have health issues from mining coal, drilling for oil, and breathing polluted air.

I wish nothing but bankruptcy on the Koch brothers.
 

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What are the three stages of knowledge
1. Blatant denial
2. Violent opposition
3. Universal acceptance

We are finally moving into stage 2
 

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What are the three stages of knowledge
1. Blatant denial
2. Violent opposition
3. Universal acceptance

We are finally moving into stage 2
actually...:)

Eine neue wissenschaftliche Wahrheit pflegt sich nicht in der Weise durchzusetzen, daß ihre Gegner überzeugt werden und sich als belehrt erklären, sondern vielmehr dadurch, daß ihre Gegner allmählich aussterben und daß die heranwachsende Generation von vornherein mit der Wahrheit vertraut gemacht ist.

A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.
— Max Planck

In Scientific Autobiography and Other Papers, trans. F. Gaynor (1950), 33. Also seen paraphrased in shortened form as: Die Wahrheit triumphiert nie, ihre Gegner sterben nur aus. (Translated as “Truth never triumphs—its opponents just die out.” More loosely paraphrased as “Science advances one funeral at a time.”)
 

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I face-palmed at the part in the video where it says "And many of them end up in landfills"... 'Cause you know, many people just throw away their EV batteries. :rolleyes:
 

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A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.
— Max Planck
Reminds me of "полезные дураки" (useful fools). It was used to describe Russian "nihilists" of 1860s which rejected all authorities.

It also reminds me of what I see going on in some of our universities.

"Familiar" is an ambiguous and possibly dangerous characterization. My late German father-in-law was "familiar" with a certain brand of national socialism which will go unnamed.

And a quote for you: “Evil always wins through the strength of its splendid dupes; and there has in all ages been a disastrous alliance between abnormal innocence and abnormal sin.”
― G.K. Chesterton, Eugenics and Other Evils: An Argument Against the Scientifically Organized State
 

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Interesting that so much of the argument rests on their understanding of the word, 'rare', when actually the term, "rare Earth", means that it is not found deposited in lumps like gems, gold, coal, or oil, but rarefied like upper atmosphere. It is abundant, but spread out a great deal, meaning the raw earth needs to be processed a deal to concentrate and purify the wanted material.
 

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Interesting that so much of the argument rests on their understanding of the word, 'rare', when actually the term, "rare Earth", means that it is not found deposited in lumps like gems, gold, coal, or oil, but rarefied like upper atmosphere. It is abundant, but spread out a great deal, meaning the raw earth needs to be processed a deal to concentrate and purify the wanted material.
Doesn't surprise me that those rubes have never heard of rarefaction.

The big issue that they have to deal with now is that they've been publicly outed as the oligarchs they are, and the U.S. public is in a very populist mode. The rabble they've been stirring up the last couple of decades can very easily turn on them at this point.
 

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What are the three stages of knowledge
1. Blatant denial
2. Violent opposition
3. Universal acceptance

We are finally moving into stage 2
While we're throwing quotes, this could use one to clarify it.

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
—Arthur Schopenhauer
 

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A similar thing happened in the nineteenth century when Edison waged a horrible campaign against Tesla (then at Westinghouse) to try to stop AC. It was called the War of Currents. Edison attempted to brand AC and Westinghouse with the electric chair. Edison's company once demonstrated killing a horse with AC. The superior technology won out but it took far longer due to Edison's efforts. It will be the same with EVs and PHEVs vs ICE. The technology/costs trajectory certainly favors EVs and PHEVs.
 

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I think reports like this one, which state that EV's will displace 8 million barrels per day of oil by 2040, have the oil barons running scared.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-06/the-electric-car-revolution-is-accelerating
I love giving OPEC the finger and am not shedding a tear about oil barons losing their livelihood. Solar, wind, and other forms of alternative energy is where we are headed. It seems that Europe is way ahead of us in putting solar panels on nearly every house to offset having to run generators. They like their tiny cars with little engines and manual transmissions... something that us Americans don't seem to embrace. Since we love our pickups, SUVS and minivans (which aren't quite so mini any more).
 

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A similar thing happened in the nineteenth century when Edison waged a horrible campaign against Tesla (then at Westinghouse) to try to stop AC. It was called the War of Currents. Edison attempted to brand AC and Westinghouse with the electric chair. Edison's company once demonstrated killing a horse with AC. The superior technology won out but it took far longer due to Edison's efforts. It will be the same with EVs and PHEVs vs ICE. The technology/costs trajectory certainly favors EVs and PHEVs.
It was actually an elephant but he could have done a horse too.
 

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A similar thing happened in the nineteenth century when Edison waged a horrible campaign against Tesla (then at Westinghouse) to try to stop AC. It was called the War of Currents. Edison attempted to brand AC and Westinghouse with the electric chair. Edison's company once demonstrated killing a horse with AC. The superior technology won out but it took far longer due to Edison's efforts. It will be the same with EVs and PHEVs vs ICE. The technology/costs trajectory certainly favors EVs and PHEVs.
It backfired on Edison. The first electric chair execution was botched and they ended up cooking poor William Kemmler, the horrified public didn't know or care about the distinction between AC and DC. Standard Oil waged a war against all electric lighting claiming that kerosene was safer. None of these campaigns had any effect on the adoption of electric lighting. The only thing that slowed Tesla down was money, not Edison. AC was clearly superior so Westinghouse won the Niagara Falls contract and the Chicago Worlds Fair contract. JP Morgan, who was Edison's VC, saw the writing on the wall and reorganized Edison General Electric into the General Electric that we know today, screwing both Edison and Westinghouse. Tesla screwed himself, Westinghouse was in trouble because they didn't have the money necessary to take advantage of the opportunity, so Tesla ripped up his royalty contract to save to save the company,which it did, but Tesla died penniless, he should have just given them a lower royalty rate but Tesla didn't care about money only technology.

The lessons from this is that negative campaigns have no effect on the adoption of superior technology. Technology wins or loses on it's own merits. EVs will succeed or fail depending on what happens with battery technology. If battery's don't get any better than they are today EVs will remain a niche, if they get cheaper but don't get denser than EVs will be a bigger niche but still a niche, if energy density doubles and gets cheaper then EVs will be a significant percentage of the market. If battery density more than doubles then EVs replace ICE cars almost entirely in the way that LCDs entirely replaced CRTs.
 

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Edison also killed an elephant. Later in his life he felt so guilty he became an animal rights supporter.

In any case EVs are a gnat when it comes to energy needs, the US makes electricity with US natural gas and coal mostly, and buying oil from the middle east is not something the Koch aholes have been endorsing.

It's most likely a fake news webpage to provide ammunition for Green Government Spending which is multi-billion industry just to the investment bankers alone, not the green companies, which often lose money. Spending tax money is all profit.

We are easily manipulated. You'd think that site would be national news if billionaires were promoting it. It's low budget stock manipulation most likely.
 

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A similar thing happened in the nineteenth century when Edison waged a horrible campaign against Tesla (then at Westinghouse) to try to stop AC. It was called the War of Currents. Edison attempted to brand AC and Westinghouse with the electric chair. Edison's company once demonstrated killing a horse with AC.
He did kill an elephant with DC, and there are pictures and videos (from his moving pictures) of the killing. As a side "benefit", Edison invented the "Electric Chair" for criminal executions. So to all you on Death Row, you may either bless or curse Thomas Edison!
 
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