[Cobalt60Volt]

Has anyone here driven the new Ioniq? How does it compare to the Volt?

The other day one past me while I was walking, and the electric drive motor seemed really loud.

 

[dannycamps]

Has anyone here driven the new Ioniq? How does it compare to the Volt?

The other day one past me while I was walking, and the electric drive motor seemed really loud.

I haven't seen one yet but is it possible the noise you heard was the HVAC fan motor? I know the Volt is pretty loud (relatively) when the fans are going full blast.

 

[Mitch G]

I didn't think the BEV or PHEV Ioniq's were available yet.
I thought only the "normal" hybrid model was available (which would explain the noise - it was the ICE running ).

 

[kgvickers]

After seeing this thread I had to go and do some investigating. Per Hyundai's website, the all electric has:

An EPA all-electric range of 124 miles and is rated at 136 MPGe

Battery system capacity of 28.0 kWh​

So I'm trying to make the math work out and I'm ready to be schooled by all y'all ....

I assume the 136 MPGe means that it would go 136 miles if it used 33.7 kwh, right?

124/136=0.984 ..... 0.984 x 33.7 = 33.17 kwh.

But the car only has a 28 kwh battery .... what am I missing?

Using the ratings for my car, the 2013 Volt, my math still does not quite work out but it's a lot closer than what I see for the Ioniq:

EPA range of 38 miles, rating of 98 MPGe

Battery system capacity of 16.5 kwh (but all it will let me use is 11 kwh)

38/98=0.3878 .... x 33.7 = 13.07 kwh.​

Thanks in advance.

 

[Sheldon]

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After seeing this thread I had to go and do some investigating. Per Hyundai's website, the all electric has:

An EPA all-electric range of 124 miles and is rated at 136 MPGe

Battery system capacity of 28.0 kWh​

So I'm trying to make the math work out and I'm ready to be schooled by all y'all ....

I assume the 136 MPGe means that it would go 136 miles if it used 33.7 kwh, right?

124/136=0.984 ..... 0.984 x 33.7 = 33.17 kwh.

But the car only has a 28 kwh battery .... what am I missing?

Using the ratings for my car, the 2013 Volt, my math still does not quite work out but it's a lot closer than what I see for the Ioniq:

EPA range of 38 miles, rating of 98 MPGe

Battery system capacity of 16.5 kwh (but all it will let me use is 11 kwh)

38/98=0.3878 .... x 33.7 = 13.07 kwh.​

Thanks in advance.

mpge refers to efficiency not range. I am a little suspicious of the Hyundai mpge though some of it is because the battery is air cooled.

Also you need kwh from the wall. For gen2 14kwh usable but 16.2kwh for a full charge with charging overhead (4.5hrs x3.6kw).

So gen2 range is about 106mpge x 16.2kw/33.7 would be expected as 53miles. Therefore gen2 is better than 106mpge on L2 charging... maybe 110mpge.

 

[quirkySquirt]

The other day one past me while I was walking, and the electric drive motor seemed really loud.

Could it be the pedestrian warning sound? Maybe it's on constantly at low speed like the Gen 2 Volts. Would make sense if it was driving slow next to pedestrians (you).

 

[kgvickers]

.... Also you need kwh from the wall ....

Ah, yes, I forgot that part.

A few weeks ago I found an IEEE report somewhere on the net (can't locate it at the moment) that tested several chargers and I think the L2 chargers average efficiency was ~88%. Using this number, 0.88 x 33.17 = 29.18, still a bit high.

I'll now assume that Hyundai's math is using a charger efficiency of ~84%, more typical of an L1 charger, which I bet is what the car ships with. Using that, 0.84 x 33.17 = 27.86 .... right at the 28 kwh battery in the car. For the people that actually drive that much each day they'll put a beating on the battery.

Reading the fine print, Hyundai is offering a LIFETIME warranty on the battery but it applies only to the ORIGINAL owner. I doubt most original owners will drive the car long enough to kill the battery so it's not a big risk for Hyundai.

 

[jbakerjonathan]

If it is a 2018 model, then the noise is mandated. Interesting times. I want one that plays "Pennies From Heaven" 8^)

 

[Kraven]

I've seen a few of the new Ioniq Hybrids (the 0-60 times are atrocious, I believe > 10 seconds so deal breaker for me as I consider that a safety concern), but haven't seen one here yet in the full electric trim, although they are already available here in CA. It's a very nice looking vehicle, and I've always like the look of the Hyundai line (also now Genesis). The new Genesis G70 was on my radar a few years ago when they announced it (3 series competitor) and those will soon be available.

The thing about the Ioniq full BEV is that I've read they will be releasing it with >200 miles range in about 12 to 18 months, so unless you absolutely need a car right now and you like the Ioniq, waiting gives you significantly more range. For me, I probably wouldn't consider a BEV unless it had >200 miles range, and close to 300+ would be perfect.

The reality is that there will be many >200 mile range BEVs within 3 to 5 years on the outside. Couple one of those with ACC (yes Steverino, it's really that good) and even better higher level autonomy and I'm in.

 

[ultravorx]

I actually own an ioniq hybrid. Lots of room, more power than a Prius and awesome mpg.
I drove from pa to FL and only spent $55 on gas.
No 12v battery since it's "partioned";into the hybrid battery.
It complements my 13 volt perfectly.

 

[Steverino]

The reality is that there will be many >200 mile range BEVs within 3 to 5 years on the outside. Couple one of those with ACC (yes Steverino, it's really that good) and even better higher level autonomy and I'm in.

Meanwhile, I'll be enjoying gas-free driving with my Bolt for those 3-5 years. I'm sure ACC is nice, but so are power windows and I could live without those too. ACC is just not the end all be all for me. Not driving the Cadillac SRX (replaced it with the Bolt EV) was a bigger target for me. Not using any gas for the next 3-5 years was also high on my list. So was a "space wagon" format.

 

[Kraven]

If you don’t drive much in traffic, sometimes bumper to bumper (which depending on where you are in IL you may not have to deal with), then I get ACC isn’t as big of a deal. I drive in traffic regularly, so I really like the ACC. I also very much like the idea of the Bolt and all electric, just wish they would add ACC as an option. I see a fair amount of Bolts driving around now...good to see. I look forward to going all electric in the next few years.

 

[KNI]

Has anyone here driven the new Ioniq? How does it compare to the Volt?

The other day one past me while I was walking, and the electric drive motor seemed really loud.

It's pretty much poor acceleration Volt with smaller battery and jerky DSG instead of smooth drive. Has electric seats with memory.