[KNI]

No official announcement yet, but it seems that Ampera-e is about to be axed.

New sales on many European countries have been stopped and waiting times for existing orders are between a year and two. At the same time the price for new Ampera-e has risen about 10k$ in those places where it is still being sold.

In Finland we can scratch Ampera-e from the list as Opel Finland CEO noted in interview with kauppalehti.fi that Ampera-e will not be delivered to Finland.

This makes me believe that Ampera-e is about to be axed or "faded out" with price raises to such heights that no sane person will buy it. The long wait times for existing deliveries would also indicate a wish that people would cancel their existing orders instead of waiting.

How this will impact the EV market in Europe remains to be seen.

 

[volt spain]

Where is the GM commitment to the VOLT-AMPERA ?...Is the BOLT being sold in Europe?..

 

[Mister Dave]

Where is the GM commitment to the VOLT-AMPERA ?...Is the BOLT being sold in Europe?..

Bolt is called Ampera-E on the other side of the pond.

At the same time the price for new Ampera-e has risen about 10k$ in those places where it is still being sold.

$10K USD? I heard $5.5K.

 

[DonC]

Obviously the Ampera-e is a casualty of the Opel sale. My read is that when Peugeot bought Opel from GM it failed to nail down the price and volume of the deliveries of the Ampera-e. Without a clear legal obligation, GM is not going to go out of its way to accommodate a competitor which has announced that its future is all electric vehicles.

I could see the Bolt EV being sold in Europe, most likely as the Bolt EV or something else.

Where is the GM commitment to the VOLT-AMPERA ?...Is the BOLT being sold in Europe?..

Well to the extent that these are Opel offerings, I'd say about zero.

 

[Mister Dave]

....GM is not going to go out of its way to accommodate a competitor which has announced that its future is all electric vehicles.

I don't get a competitive vibe from anything I read about the Opel sale to PSA. PSA is slated to build Buicks for GM in Europe.

GM has been failing with Opel and Vauxhall for decades. They don't get the European market, don't like it much, don't profit from it and are getting out.

 

[Upper5Percent]

I don't get a competitive vibe from anything I read about the Opel sale to PSA. PSA is slated to build Buicks for GM in Europe.

GM has been failing with Opel and Vauxhall for decades. They don't get the European market, don't like it much, don't profit from it and are getting out.

Yes, Europe is to GM, What the entire world is to Tesla...a money losing proposition...


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/15/gen...h-1-billion-opel-sale-to-peugeot-analyst.html

Despite European car sales at a nine-year high, auto makers have struggled to make a profit. Detroit-based GM has accumulated more than $15 billion of losses at its Opel arm since 2000 but has held onto its European operations to allow it to develop compact cars and diesel engines. However, global demand for diesel is in decline and therefore GM should be set to benefit from a potential split with Europe, Evercore ISI analysts said in a note.

"General Motors have not made money in Europe for many years, it's a drain on free cash flow and with the European (car) sales above 15 million (units) now you'd argue we're at least three-quarters of the way through the cycle… if you're not making money (now) then will you ever?" George Galliers, autos analyst at Evercore ISI, told CNBC on Wednesday. "We like the deal, particularly from General Motors' perspective."

 

[AndY1]

I could see the Bolt EV being sold in Europe, most likely as the Bolt EV or something else.

Not likely since GM pulled Chevrolet out of Europe a few years ago.

I've abandoned the idea to have a two Ampera(E) family in my garage, so I'm eyeing Hyundai Kona EV with a 64kWh battery, which is coming out next year.
I guess my 2012 Ampera will be my first and last GM car.

 

[Ampera PT]

It´s funny how things turn around, and now you may get Opel and PSA cars over there in NA.
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...-ambitions-put-china-russia-even-u-s-on-radar
They have some great SUV's that maybe would fit NA market.
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/3008/suv/
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/5008/suv/
For me personally, it's a shame i wont be able in the future to buy a new Chevy Volt\Bolt, but maybe the Ampera ''brand'' will live on as an Opel...
What happened to Holden???

 

[Mister Dave]

It´s funny how things turn around, and now you may get Opel and PSA cars over there in NA.
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...-ambitions-put-china-russia-even-u-s-on-radar
They have some great SUV's that maybe would fit NA market.
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/3008/suv/
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/5008/suv/
For me personally, it's a shame i wont be able in the future to buy a new Chevy Volt\Bolt, but maybe the Ampera ''brand'' will live on as an Opel...
What happened to Holden???

Weird how they look a bit like GM cars. So I looked up a few things.

GM and PSA Peugeot Citroën Provide Further Details of their Global Strategic Alliance

Allegedly this alliance was terminated.

PSA Peugeot Citroen and General Motors planned to use EMP2 platform for several vehicles, developed under the short lived PSA-GM alliance.

So I find it odd that PSA is supposed to build Buicks for GM in Europe. I think maybe they're working together more than either is willing to say.

 

[Upper5Percent]

It´s funny how things turn around, and now you may get Opel and PSA cars over there in NA.
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...-ambitions-put-china-russia-even-u-s-on-radar
They have some great SUV's that maybe would fit NA market.
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/3008/suv/
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/5008/suv/
For me personally, it's a shame i wont be able in the future to buy a new Chevy Volt\Bolt, but maybe the Ampera ''brand'' will live on as an Opel...
What happened to Holden???

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...s/news-story/efa40d78464babd50be826d64de6ef11

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...y/news-story/5dd38771af8376d7ed00a2f7310bec45

"A company that wraps itself in the national standard has long been an importer of generic General Motors vehicles made mainly in Korea. None of them - not one among Barina Spark, Barina, Malibu, Captiva, Colorado - are within cooee of the best in their respective classes.
There's not one Carsguide could confidently place among the first five choices. Not even the better variants of the Cruze, with its expert work of Holden engineers, could any longer be counted among the podium finisher in the small car class."