All Electric Cadillac CT6? Or just slow on the draw (CT6 PHEV)

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Qinsp

Discussion Starter · May 3, 2017

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2017/05/gms-reuss-predicts-company-will-build-first-profitable-ev/

“You have to integrate the whole car. We feel really good about that,” said Reuss, who noted GM will soon introduce a plug-in electric vehicle that can run on pure electric power that is based on the Cadillac CT6 and a Buick extended range electric vehicle similar to the Chevrolet Volt.

Note that he says pure electric power and implies it's not like a Volt.

The way it's worded could be taken 2 ways, but this interview is post CT6 PHEV release.

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Blastphemy

· #41 · Nov 15, 2018

Since Cadillac just announced that it's killing the CT6 PHEV in North America, gotta wonder if that means a BEV CT6 is on the way?

But it's more likely that Cadillac is just giving up, having failed again to create a popular plug-in hybrid (the ELR being its first failure).

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Mister Dave

· #42 · Nov 15, 2018

Mister Dave 05-03-2017 said:
Any sane person should expect ELR sales numbers, or worse.

Told you so.

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jcanoe

· #43 · Nov 15, 2018

The CT6 PIHV was primarily intended for sale in China.

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emg77

· #44 · Nov 16, 2018

Ouch... My parents really like theirs. And it was a steal at under $45,000 for a 2017 Cadillac Certified with 4500 miles.

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Blastphemy

· #45 · Nov 16, 2018

The CT6 PHEV was doomed from the start (as Mister Dave and I correctly predicted back in 2017):

#1 - Not eligible for carpool lane stickers in CA due to the excessive tailpipe emissions. At least with the ELR you got HOV access!

#2 - No advertising for it... at all! At least the ELR had at one featured ad during the Olympics (albeit a horrible one that made all owners look like arrogant pricks, and that in its 1 min 2 sec length only showed the ELR for about 10 seconds... sitting in a driveway).

#3 - Desirable features available in the gas versions of the CT6 were not offered in the plug-in variant, such as the Bose Panaray sound system and SuperCruise.

#4 - Due to the placement of the batteries behind the back seats, the trunk space was as bad as the ELR's.

#5 - As with the ELR, the CT6 PHEV was overpriced.

#6 - On top of all that, the CT6 PHEV can't be driven on electricity alone; when the car feels it's necessary, the gas engine kicks in - just like in the Ford Energi cars. Perhaps if the transition was seamless, people wouldn't have cared much; but the acceleration was so herky-jerky that it sometimes felt like driving a jalopy!

The CT6 is a really nice car, although it still feels about 2-3 years behind BMW, Audi, Mercedes, and Jaguar. But this half-hearted attempt at a plug-in hybrid to succeed the ELR just didn't cut it.

Imagine if the original ELR or this CT6 was all-electric and drove like a Tesla? GM could have done that, and both cars would have given Tesla a run for the money had they been pure electric. But the ELR was instead a dolled-up Volt and the CT6 was a weak attempt to show some green cred in North America. So there you have it - when you go small, you sell small. Maybe next time GM will go big? Let's hope so.

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Bill Step

· #46 · Nov 16, 2018

to #4.
i was able to get my new to me specialized electric bike in the trunk,w/ the tires off.but it fit to my surprise.

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Mister Dave

· #47 · Nov 16, 2018

Blastphemy said:
The CT6 PHEV was doomed from the start (as Mister Dave and I correctly predicted back in 2017):

#5 - As with the ELR, the CT6 PHEV was overpriced.

It was that simple.

The CT6 is nice looking and bigger but I liked the ELR a lot too (ELR has better styling IMO). Not enough to pay that much money though for either one. All things considered they're not that compelling. Even the '16 ELRs coming off lease are too expensive for what you get.

Other GM EV products aren't breaking out of the gate on sales (no one is really - not even Tesla despite their growth in 3 sales). I don't know why they thought this would.

Good luck getting either one serviced in 5+ years. Please don't return here complaining about it (if this site is even around by that time).

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