[Qinsp]

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2017/05/gms-reuss-predicts-company-will-build-first-profitable-ev/

“You have to integrate the whole car. We feel really good about that,” said Reuss, who noted GM will soon introduce a plug-in electric vehicle that can run on pure electric power that is based on the Cadillac CT6 and a Buick extended range electric vehicle similar to the Chevrolet Volt.

Note that he says pure electric power and implies it's not like a Volt.

The way it's worded could be taken 2 ways, but this interview is post CT6 PHEV release.

 

[VoltenRock]

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2017/05/gms-reuss-predicts-company-will-build-first-profitable-ev/

Reuss, who noted GM will soon introduce a plug-in electric vehicle that can run on pure electric power that is based on the Cadillac CT6 and a Buick extended range electric vehicle similar to the Chevrolet Volt.

I bet they're speaking of CHINA.

 

[Mister Dave]

I bet they're speaking of CHINA.

I had the same thought when I read this Reuss thing about profitable EVs earlier today.

 

[Qinsp]

Yeah, that makes sense.

An AWD BEV version with a flat rear floor would be sweet.

Sure wish the CT6 PHEV was better thought out though.

All they had to do with the CT6 PHEV was to use the T-Shape battery layout of the Volt, then a second 100kW motor in the rear, and they would have had a great car. AWD, potent in EV mode, EREV when needed. The longer trans tunnel and wider body would have allowed more battery, and it would have a real trunk in the car instead of a glovebox over the rear bumper.

So what did they do instead? Stuffed the big ass battery right in the trunk. Not around it, or under it, or near it, they popped the latch and dropped it in like they were taking to the recycling center. It's almost removable.

 

[llninja]

Yeah, that makes sense.

An AWD BEV version with a flat rear floor would be sweet.

Sure wish the CT6 PHEV was better thought out though.

All they had to do with the CT6 PHEV was to use the T-Shape battery layout of the Volt, then a second 100kW motor in the rear, and they would have had a great car. AWD, potent in EV mode, EREV when needed. The longer trans tunnel and wider body would have allowed more battery, and it would have a real trunk in the car instead of a glovebox over the rear bumper.

So what did they do instead? Stuffed the big ass battery right in the trunk. Not around it, or under it, or near it, they popped the latch and dropped it in like they were taking to the recycling center. It's almost removable.

It doesn't matter, I think I still want one. Unfortunately the damn car is sold in Arkansas and not Illinois.

 

[Qinsp]

It doesn't matter, I think I still want one. Unfortunately the damn car is sold in Arkansas and not Illinois.

It's a really nice car with some very high tech features. But the trunk, and the low EV-only acceleration and turbo lag, kind of wreck it. They were so close. We are probably getting the 3.0TT Platinum instead. It has a massive trunk, more responsive powertrain, and more luxury features (not that the PHEV model is sparse by any definition).

 

[llninja]

It's a really nice car with some very high tech features. But the trunk, and the low EV-only acceleration and turbo lag, kind of wreck it. They were so close. We are probably getting the 3.0TT Platinum instead. It has a massive trunk, more responsive powertrain, and more luxury features (not that the PHEV model is sparse by any definition).

I'll have to either wait until it comes to IL or a nearby state or maybe test drive one while I'm in Atlanta later this summer. Maybe I'll do something stupid and drive one home.

 

[Mister Dave]

I'll have to either wait until it.......

....is unloaded from the slow boat from China and driven east on (I assume) train cars.

Likely they will be assembled in (using a really bad Trump impression) Chi-Nah.

Any sane person should expect ELR sales numbers, or worse.

 

[VoltenRock]

It doesn't matter, I think I still want one.

I'm with you. Damn nice looking car. One of the few plug-ins out there I really, really like (and can't afford). Lucid Air seems to be another sweet (unaffordable) option (although they claim $52K after tax credit)--if it ever gets off the ground.

 

[llninja]

I'm with you. Damn nice looking car. One of the few plug-ins out there I really, really like (and can't afford). Lucid Air seems to be another sweet (unaffordable) option (although they claim $52K after tax credit)--if it ever gets off the ground.

I'll believe it when I see it. I doubt I'll ever see it. I;be never seen a Fisker.

Plus, I'm really worried about the all glass roof.

 

[Loboc]

I'll believe it when I see it. I doubt I'll ever see it. I;be never seen a Fisker.

Plus, I'm really worried about the all glass roof.

The Cadillac dealer where I bought my ELR has two Fiskar Karmas on display. I believe they are owned by the dealership owner. They also have charge points in the shop area plus four right out front of the showroom.

I don't want to test drive a CT6. I am bad about snap decisions that bite back later.

The all-glass roof allows a radical re-design of the assembly line. The interior can be installed through the roof robotically.

 

[llninja]

The Cadillac dealer where I bought my ELR has two Fiskar Karmas on display. I believe they are owned by the dealership owner. They also have charge points in the shop area plus four right out front of the showroom.

I don't want to test drive a CT6. I am bad about snap decisions that bite back later.

The all-glass roof allows a radical re-design of the assembly line. The interior can be installed through the roof robotically.

That's exactly the same reason I haven't test driven an ELR or a gen2 volt. I'm sure I'll like either of them.

The robotic installation is interesting. But why can't they do the same bu attaching a metal panel instead of a glass panel to the roof? That's got to be how Tesla does it.

 

[Loboc]

That's exactly the same reason I haven't test driven an ELR or a gen2 volt. I'm sure I'll like either of them.

The robotic installation is interesting. But why can't they do the same bu attaching a metal panel instead of a glass panel to the roof? That's got to be how Tesla does it.

I read about the roof thing for Model 3 somewhere. And yes, they were saying both metal or glass options. In M3, metal would lower the roof line even more though making rear seat room a problem.

 

[jbakerjonathan]

It doesn't matter, I think I still want one. Unfortunately the damn car is sold in Arkansas and not Illinois.

Heck, you're almost neighbors. Make a little trip south, southwest and pick one up.

 

[Bacardi]

Solely because he said "PLUG-IN" and not "CT6 EV" I'd take a Vegas bet it means the existing CT6...If we dive deeper, according to insideevs, the CT6 PHEV was first sold last month and sold a grand total of six so they could still be trickling into dealerships and so while this was after the CT6 PHEV was released, it isn't yet fully rolled out...Even deeper, they put the battery in the trunk, you'd imagine if they were wanting a larger battery to go in the floor for a BEV version the PHEV would also have had its battery installed in the floor...

 

[Qinsp]

I can say for a fact that the CT6 PHEV is not 'based' on a CT6, it is one.

But I'm now certain either the reporter or GM staffer was confused.

 

[Bacardi]

I can say for a fact that the CT6 PHEV is not 'based' on a CT6, it is one.

But I'm now certain either the reporter or GM staffer was confused.

Fair point, I'd still keep my Vegas bet...lol

Tons of little goodies in there...Focusing on reducing mass; Qinsp, you're a racer, I still can't understand why unsprung weight isn't a huge consideration...Very lightweight, strong and affordable wheels and two piece aluminum hat rotors (Vette has them) haven't found a way to OEM...Seems both are far easier to produce and cheaper than an aluminum body...

 

[DonC]

It doesn't matter, I think I still want one. Unfortunately the damn car is sold in Arkansas and not Illinois.

It's a weird car. The drive is super smooth and the tech is outstanding. However, while it has lots of passenger space it also has a a very small trunk. So small that it's off putting to me, and I usually use the trunk for carrying a few baskets of strawberries. At the same time it also has a heads up display, ACC, lots of safey features, and infraed vision for dark nights or fog. At once perfect and imperfect for long drives, it leaves you wondering what specific use pattern would be well served by the design.

An AWD BEV version with a flat rear floor would be sweet.

I'd much rather deal with a small trunk than DC charging. I have a hard time seeing this as a BEV for the same reason I've always thought the Model S was an odd car -- you want a big car for long trips not local driving but the limited battery range rules makes long trips difficult at the least.

 

[Bacardi]

It doesn't matter, I think I still want one. Unfortunately the damn car is sold in Arkansas and not Illinois.

And not just any cities in Arkansas, just the ones that don't exist...Phoenix Arkansas and Tucson Arkansas! How "Phoenix Arkansas" made it way through and why it still hasn't been corrected is beyond me...

 

[Qinsp]

Fair point, I'd still keep my Vegas bet...lol

Tons of little goodies in there...Focusing on reducing mass; Qinsp, you're a racer, I still can't understand why unsprung weight isn't a huge consideration...Very lightweight, strong and affordable wheels and two piece aluminum hat rotors (Vette has them) haven't found a way to OEM...Seems both are far easier to produce and cheaper than an aluminum body...

My CTS-V had very large dual metal rotors, and my ZR1 had carbon ceramic rotors the size of pizza tins.

It depends on how far up you go in the food chain. But eventually everything trickles down.

The 2.0L four cylinder engine found the CT6 base and Camaro would be considered a race engine not too long ago. 137hp/liter Camaro engine would be 780HP in a 350 V8 engine, which is more than NASCAR is running.

Much of the engine tech did come from racing, but then was adapted for long life, low cost, mass production. High strength sheet steel alloys, sodium filled valves, inconel turbines, titanium valves and rods, roller rockers, low friction piston skirt coatings, highly optimized port design, variable cam timing, coil per cylinder, etc, all started on the racetrack.