[DonC]

I've seen some people using Tesla destination chargers for their Leafs and BMW i3s, but this is the first adapter for public sale that I'm aware of. Pricey but no doubt the cost will come down. Note this isn't for the DC chargers. It's for the "destination" chargers, of which there are a fair number.

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/01/19/diginow-super-charger-v2-tesla-ev/

 

[edk-austin]

Since destination stations are just J1772 protocol with the Tesla plug, it's easy to make an adapter provided you can source the Tesla inlet. Anyone know who (connector OEM) actually makes the Tesla inlet?

Seems
https://jdapter.quickchargepower.com/
has been unable to begin

 

[Neromanceres]

Came across this site from the company mentioned in the Autoblog article (Diginow). It appears their adaptors were originally built for zero motorcycles but can now be used for other EV's with a J1772 port. They have pricing for their adaptors but don't mention how to actually buy them.

http://diginow.it/super-charger-for-zero-motorcycle.php

 

[BAZINGA]

Tesla's Destination chargers are not the same as Tesla's Superchargers.

 

[llninja]

Tesla's Destination chargers are not the same as Tesla's Superchargers.

I wonder if plugging this contraption into a supercharger will fry anything or whether nothing happens. In the interest of science someone should try this...but it won't be me.

Asps...very dangerous... you go first https://youtu.be/ZvqkXHphvgs

 

[bjrosen]

Tesla superchargers were built by Tesla for use by their customers, they are not a public service so owners of non-Tesla EVs have no right to use them. On top of that it would be just plain rude to tie one up for 4.5 hours just so you save a gallon of gas. We have access to Chargepoint chargers which are designed to be used as destination chargers, if there is no Chargepoint charger available then we have our gas tanks.

 

[Qinsp]

Tesla superchargers were built by Tesla for use by their customers, they are not a public service so owners of non-Tesla EVs have no right to use them. On top of that it would be just plain rude to tie one up for 4.5 hours just so you save a gallon of gas. We have access to Chargepoint chargers which are designed to be used as destination chargers, if there is no Chargepoint charger available then we have our gas tanks.

Oh boy...

HPWC is an EVSE (not a charger) that supplies AC current to a car's on-board charger. It comes with a Tesla end on it, but IIRC, there is a J1772 present on some of the locations. http://shop.teslamotors.com/collections/model-s-charging-adapters

Tesla has a program where they will give a HPWC ($550-500 MSRP) to qualified businesses but the business must pay for the electricity. It is up to business to allow J1772 at time of installation or allow non-Teslas to use the EVSE.

Normally Valets control EV charging order at hotels. A Tesla can require up to 11 hours charging at a HPWC.

The fact that Tesla set up their EVSE AC equipment so other cars could not use them is not in alignment with the PR Mission Statement that Tesla Motor's goal is for EVs to replace ICE vehicles so gasoline is no longer used as a motor fuel.

 

[Loboc]

I read somewhere that Tesla installs a normal J1772 EVSE every destination where they install a proprietary one. As a hotel owner, I wouldn't want to limit my EV clientele to Tesla owners.

 

[llninja]

I read somewhere that Tesla installs a normal J1772 EVSE every destination where they install a proprietary one. As a hotel owner, I wouldn't want to limit my EV clientele to Tesla owners.

Why would they do that? It sounds like money down the drain, unless they are adding the j1772 as a backup to the tesla charger. ion case 2 Teslas want to charge at the same time) or they are really firm believers in doing their part to move the world away from dependency on fossil fuels. Sadly at a local hotel where they have both a tesla and j1772 charger, they put orange cones in front of the parking spots to dissuade people from using them. Although I wasn't staying at the hotel, I was meeting a client at the restaurant, but no charging for me. I would kill for charging at work.

 

[Neromanceres]

I wonder if plugging this contraption into a supercharger will fry anything or whether nothing happens. In the interest of science someone should try this...but it won't be me.

Asps...very dangerous... you go first https://youtu.be/ZvqkXHphvgs

Nothing will happen. Tesla superchargers have no power until authorised to connect. Authorisation is by a code on each car on an individual basis. Tesla know exactly what cars are using what superchargers and for how long.

To get a supercharger to turn on you would need to fake another Tesla's authorisation to make the station think it's charging an authorised Tesla. Remember not all Tesla's have access to the supercharger network either.

 

[jbakerjonathan]

Tesla superchargers were built by Tesla for use by their customers, they are not a public service so owners of non-Tesla EVs have no right to use them. On top of that it would be just plain rude to tie one up for 4.5 hours just so you save a gallon of gas. We have access to Chargepoint chargers which are designed to be used as destination chargers, if there is no Chargepoint charger available then we have our gas tanks.

^^^This!^^^

 

[DonC]

I guess I wasn't sufficiently clear that this adapter DOES NOT work with Tesla superchargers. Those are DC chargers. It works with destination chargers, which are AC chargers. Most Tesla destination chargers are installed at hotels and so forth, and it's completely up to the management of the facility as to who can use it. Tesla really has nothing to do with it. Given the chargers are for the convenience of guests, I doubt there would ever be an issue with any guest using any charger. At the four or five I've stayed at in the last year or so, you just drove into the spot and plugged in. There is a sign that the space is reserved for charging but no prescription about who could use it. Honestly I've never seen a car other than mine use any of the chargers so it's not a huge jam up.

Would be an expensive charge given the cost of the adapter!

In my experience most hotels will have a couple of destination chargers and a J1772 charger but I don't think that's a requirement. The exception to this rule was La Posada in Winslow Arizona. It just had destination chargers. No J1772. Here is a great story about why the hotel installed two. http://azdailysun.com/news/local/st...cle_daefc5c0-c85b-11e3-8e21-001a4bcf887a.html The story suggests these are superchargers but they are HPWC destination chargers. Not sure the adapter will work with these. The adapter supposedly works with 75% of the chargers. Not sure why they don't work with 100%, but the higher power may be the reason.

That section of road also shows the limitations and problems with the superchargers as currently constituted. Coming from Albuquerque you'd want to stop at the Petrified Forest, which is truly a fantastic place. However, you wouldn't have sufficient range. So you'd have to go to Holbrook first before doubling back to the Petrifed Forest, Not the end of the world but pretty inconvenient, and it would likely compromise your lighting.

 

[Ladogaboy]

I think (or hope) that restricting destination chargers exclusively to Tesla owners would actually fly in the face of everything that Tesla (and Elon Musk) stand for. I can understand the Superchargers, and Tesla's way of getting around that is saying, "Well, it's on that manufacturer, but we are willing to work with them." In the case of destination chargers, these are units Tesla helped to build at business sites on behalf of BOTH Tesla owners and those businesses. Restricting access just doesn't make sense.

 

[Rampage_Rick]

I read somewhere that Tesla installs a normal J1772 EVSE every destination where they install a proprietary one. As a hotel owner, I wouldn't want to limit my EV clientele to Tesla owners.

My employer looked at getting a few EVSEs through the Destination program. Didn't follow through with it due to installation costs.

Tesla/Sun Country Highway would provide 1 or optionally 2 Tesla HPWCs, plus 1 optional J1772 station (CS-40 or CS-60) Signage was also included. Business would cover installation. Equipment must be returned if removed.

The HPWCs had to be installed on a minimum of 50A circuit, and at a higher amperage than the J1772, i.e. if you wanted the CS-60 you had to install 70 amps minimum to the HPWC(s)

 

[accelerus]

The fact that Tesla set up their EVSE AC equipment so other cars could not use them is not in alignment with the PR Mission Statement that Tesla Motor's goal is for EVs to replace ICE vehicles so gasoline is no longer used as a motor fuel.

Their first duty as a business is to their customers though. If I was a Tesla customer and needed to charge (need here can be applied quite differently than "need" electricity for my Volt) I'd be rightfully pissed off if I couldn't get to my destination because someone wanted a free $1 worth of electricity from another brand vehicle. There's no reasonable expectation of me being able to take my Chevy to a Toyota dealership and plug into one of their slots to get some free juice. Similar situation if I pull up and park at some little mom and pop tiny corner store, get out and walk 3 blocks away to see a concert for a few hours. I'm denying actual customers a benefit all because I'm too lazy or cheap to find a legit spot to park.

Not sure how their system works but would a Tesla destination charger even allow charging even with the proper adapter? Before actual juice starts flowing, there is communication between the charging system and the station.

Even internal to Tesla, we've seen what they had to institute with Tesla owners treating super charging stations as parking spaces. All of these issues exist because people want something for nothing. Electricity/parking/whatever. One of the byproducts of Teslas business is the green aspect of driving, if you want to plug into a Tesla charger, you should have a Tesla plain and simple. If Tesla is successful in their mission of the proliferation of pure EV driving on a massive scale, THEN you will see the changes you seek instituted with new systems in place to pay for what you use compatible with "everyone".

Edit: the one thing I can see being awesome in the future that Tesla can set up once the tech has proven itself, set your car up to charge once it's done, the car can auto-eject it's charge cord and go drive itself to a normal parking spot. Alert the owner to its location, or just summon the car when you are ready to leave.

 

[accelerus]

My employer looked at getting a few EVSEs through the Destination program. Didn't follow through with it due to installation costs.

Tesla/Sun Country Highway would provide 1 or optionally 2 Tesla HPWCs, plus 1 optional J1772 station (CS-40 or CS-60) Signage was also included. Business would cover installation. Equipment must be returned if removed.

The HPWCs had to be installed on a minimum of 50A circuit, and at a higher amperage than the J1772, i.e. if you wanted the CS-60 you had to install 70 amps minimum to the HPWC(s)

Funny enough I put the bug in my employers ear about charging at work too (we are a remote site with maybe 1000 employees and 1 million squre foot facility)

There are a few green credits they could get they love stuff like that, but the problem is they are cheap as hell despite being one of the top 20 in the fortune 500 list.

I proposed doing a full budget and proposal for the thing (because I like doing things like that, yay Econ degree) but they just said they would "look into it". I even told them I'd be happy with a simple 120V 8 amp circuit and a parking spot marked off in the far back somewhere and they didn't really care. Total cost for that would have been a few hundred tops including time for our maintenance guy to run the line.

This is a place that spent 5 figures decorating our building for christmas, but they won't spend a few hundred to add work charging. *shakes head* would have helped with my 75 mile round trip commute each day lol

 

[llninja]

Their first duty as a business is to their customers though. If I was a Tesla customer and needed to charge (need here can be applied quite differently than "need" electricity for my Volt) I'd be rightfully pissed off if I couldn't get to my destination because someone wanted a free $1 worth of electricity from another brand vehicle. There's no reasonable expectation of me being able to take my Chevy to a Toyota dealership and plug into one of their slots to get some free juice. Similar situation if I pull up and park at some little mom and pop tiny corner store, get out and walk 3 blocks away to see a concert for a few hours. I'm denying actual customers a benefit all because I'm too lazy or cheap to find a legit spot to park.

Not sure how their system works but would a Tesla destination charger even allow charging even with the proper adapter? Before actual juice starts flowing, there is communication between the charging system and the station.

Even internal to Tesla, we've seen what they had to institute with Tesla owners treating super charging stations as parking spaces. All of these issues exist because people want something for nothing. Electricity/parking/whatever. One of the byproducts of Teslas business is the green aspect of driving, if you want to plug into a Tesla charger, you should have a Tesla plain and simple. If Tesla is successful in their mission of the proliferation of pure EV driving on a massive scale, THEN you will see the changes you seek instituted with new systems in place to pay for what you use compatible with "everyone".

Edit: the one thing I can see being awesome in the future that Tesla can set up once the tech has proven itself, set your car up to charge once it's done, the car can auto-eject it's charge cord and go drive itself to a normal parking spot. Alert the owner to its location, or just summon the car when you are ready to leave.

I have parked my Volt at a local Nissan dealership for some charging plenty of times. They don't seem to mind. It gives the salesmen a chance to sell me a leaf.

 

[bro1999]

There was a kickstarter announced for a Tesla-to-J1772 adapter that would let any EV use a Tesla destination charger, but it seems to have stalled. It was advertised for $199 though.

I'd buy one at that price. There are some areas I visit that literally have Tesla destination chargers as the only charging stations in the area.

 

[saghost]

I wonder if plugging this contraption into a supercharger will fry anything or whether nothing happens. In the interest of science someone should try this...but it won't be me.

Asps...very dangerous... you go first https://youtu.be/ZvqkXHphvgs

Tesla complies fully with J1772. That means the pilot pin on the Supercharger is sending a 5% duty cycle "initiate digital communications" to the car when plugged in, and the main pins aren't connected to anything until the car goes digital and authenticates - and since the cars in question can't authenticate correctly, nothing happens.

 

[Rampage_Rick]

Funny enough I put the bug in my employers ear about charging at work too (we are a remote site with maybe 1000 employees and 1 million squre foot facility)

There are a few green credits they could get they love stuff like that, but the problem is they are cheap as hell despite being one of the top 20 in the fortune 500 list.

I proposed doing a full budget and proposal for the thing (because I like doing things like that, yay Econ degree) but they just said they would "look into it". I even told them I'd be happy with a simple 120V 8 amp circuit and a parking spot marked off in the far back somewhere and they didn't really care. Total cost for that would have been a few hundred tops including time for our maintenance guy to run the line.

This is a place that spent 5 figures decorating our building for christmas, but they won't spend a few hundred to add work charging. *shakes head* would have helped with my 75 mile round trip commute each day lol

Sounds familiar, mine's a $5-billion company with wildly diverse holdings. I've learned that you don't get that rich by being loose with the coin purse.

Looked at one of our hotels in Vancouver. Even with the free EVSEs we were looking at $10,000+, mainly due to the need for a 30kVA transformer to step down from 600V, plus a new sub-panel and some concrete drilling.