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http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-aaa-insurance-hike-2017-6

A few snippets from the article:

"Teslas get into a lot of crashes and they're expensive to repair," Russ Rader, the spokesperson for the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, told Business Insider.

"AAA's decision comes at a time where other insurance companies are preparing to reduce premiums for Tesla owners as the cars get safer with self-driving technology."
 

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http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-aaa-insurance-hike-2017-6

A few snippets from the article:

"Teslas get into a lot of crashes and they're expensive to repair," Russ Rader, the spokesperson for the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, told Business Insider.

"AAA's decision comes at a time where other insurance companies are preparing to reduce premiums for Tesla owners as the cars get safer with self-driving technology."
An then the link at the bottom of the page points to a huge disruption in the insurance industry as driver assist systems like autopilot become more autonomous

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-tesla-self-driving-cars-are-changing-insurance-industry-2017-5
 

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The problem is that the Tesla AEB system isn't. It is common for a Tesla to hit a car or truck in front of it. It simply does not work well.
 

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And in that second link, it says Tesla is already selling insurance along with the car in Australia and Hong Kong, with a vision to include insurance in the final price of all the cars they sell. Big changes coming, Amazon style, for the car insurance industry over the next few decades.
 

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Also note that the NHTSA AEB report is based entirely on Tesla Motors supplied data.

It is very strange indeed that the insurance companies are repairing front end collisions when the AEB has zero complaints filed.
 

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I'm actually not surprised that Tesla models have been getting into a lot of crashes. Putting 500+ hp in the hands of the average American driver can be dangerous. I still remember a friend's coworker who had only owned average commuter cars. He was so proud when he got a Z06, and he was showing it off to everyone. When I asked about it a week later, my friend said, "Oh. Yeah. He spun out on the onramp and totaled the car."
 

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I'm actually not surprised that Tesla models have been getting into a lot of crashes. Putting 500+ hp in the hands of the average American driver can be dangerous. I still remember a friend's coworker who had only owned average commuter cars. He was so proud when he got a Z06, and he was showing it off to everyone. When I asked about it a week later, my friend said, "Oh. Yeah. He spun out on the onramp and totaled the car."
I had the privilege of driving a CTS-V around a racetrack with lots of windy curves (more like formula 1, less like ovals of NASCAR or Indy) and after that adrenaline-filled experience, I've decided that I never want that much horsepower on city streets with pedestrians, other veichles, and potholes - it's just too much speed, power, and temptation to do something extremely stupid. Too bad Tesla doesn't sell a vehicle with grandpa mode - I don't want insane or ludicrous modes. That said, i'd be happy with a non-P model as that's good enough for my driving.
 

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People that feel the need for speed should take advantage of race tracks that offer "experiences" and training. Besides, you get to abuse a car other than your own! I have a Mazda MX5 that is a ton of fun to drive, but I still would resist the opportunity to run it on the track....I just don't want to break anything. I drive my Volt like an old man, but I still really enjoy driving it and trying to max out my range by driving "smartly".....or "bigly" as someone else might say!
 

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People that feel the need for speed should take advantage of race tracks that offer "experiences" and training. Besides, you get to abuse a car other than your own! I have a Mazda MX5 that is a ton of fun to drive, but I still would resist the opportunity to run it on the track....I just don't want to break anything. I drive my Volt like an old man, but I still really enjoy driving it and trying to max out my range by driving "smartly".....or "bigly" as someone else might say!
Autocross is how to have safe fun with your Miata or test the limits of your Volt. Speeds are normally 60mph max, there is nothing to hit but cones, and it is not 'door-to-door', it's a time trial where get a timeslip instead of checkered flag. They are inexpensive, all over the US, and you use your own car.

I'm of the belief that everybody should learn to handle a car that has exceeded it's limits of traction or rotational energy. It could save your life or the lives of others. Most folk learn what oversteer or understeer is by accident. Literally.
 

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It is very strange indeed that the insurance companies are repairing front end collisions when the AEB has zero complaints filed.
Was AP engaged with those collisions? My first thought was teenagers being given the fob. In any event, the frequency is surprising.
 

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Was AP engaged with those collisions? My first thought was teenagers being given the fob. In any event, the frequency is surprising.
AEB is separate from Autopilot AFAIK. If you don't order AP2, you still get AEB. Whether it actually works is subject to some debate.
 

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AEB is separate from Autopilot AFAIK. If you don't order AP2, you still get AEB. Whether it actually works is subject to some debate.
Good point. Didn't think of that. Obviously the effectiveness of AEB is greatly exaggerated. And of course there have been new Tesla owners driving into showrooms. LOL Have you seen the video of the Volvo demonstration of AEB? The car ran right into the barrier. Oops.
 
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