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File this under "total speculation", but I've had this hunch that GM has some surprises up their sleeve for NAIAS 2017. One of those surprises I've thought about is a true Model 3 "killer". Seems lots of publications are hung up on the Bolt's "practical/utilitarian" looks, which I am totally fine with, but I guess the image whores are not.

What if GM has a sexier vehicle in the works that would be built on the Bolt's platform? Something like the fictional Jolt EV?

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/chevy-bolt-isnt-stylish-but-gm-is-pushing-its-practicality/

Jake Fisher, Consumer Reports’ director of automotive testing, says the Bolt is great to drive and has lots of space, but he agrees with Liss that it lacks the Model 3’s sleek appeal. Fisher says there’s a tug-of-war between designers and pragmatic engineers at every automaker. “The Bolt strikes me as a car where the engineers won every battle,” he says.

Fisher expects GM to build a sportier-looking model on Bolt underpinnings before the Model 3 debuts. Gesse wouldn’t confirm that but says electric vehicles in general are likely to have more body styles to match competitors.


It's almost guaranteed the Bolt isn't the only vehicle to be built on the Bolt's platform, whatever it is actually called. GM didn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars on development and forge all-new relationships with suppliers such as LG to build a single vehicle. I think we'll find out more in a little over a month. ;)

And ooooooooooh, chew on this, Elon!

"We don't need to take reservations and deposits to fund the development and engineering of our vehicles," he says in a kind-of-snarky shot at Tesla, which recently posted its first quarterly profit in three years. "We've been generating revenue, cash flow."

 

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The styling might be different but the 0-60 time would likely not change. This is all about a = F/m and unless F changes, which likely, acceleration isn't changing either. OTOH less Eco tires would boost performance and handling quite a bit, though that would come at the cost of some range.
 

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OK this is not it (probably not...), but I saw it at EPCOT last week and thought hey I like the looks of it...

Someone actually made a website for the Jolt EV: http://www.chevyjoltev.com/

It's interesting that GM hasn't made the person take the site down, even though they rip copyrighted material...
 

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How about a sexy CUV with Bolt/Volt underpinnings?
 

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Yup, a Tru140 BEV could be a game changer for me. Would be nice if they would curve the nose a bit more seein' as how they don't need the space for an engine.

And, a sexy CUV or pickup is an oxymoron :).
 

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Personally I prefer they release a 400 miles range one, so that it can do 240 miles in the winter
 

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This car at Disney looks just like the JOLT!! What's going on?
Maybe the "Fake" Jolt web page is actually real. Why couldn't GM publish a fake GM web site?
 

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On one hand, the Bolt design was nearly finalized by the time there were 375K+ preorders and I wouldn't be shocked GM could actually deliver an attractive "Jolt" before TM3 are delivered in volume...But on the other, GM choose hatchback/wagon look to begin with for the Bolt...I know many will take this the wrong way, but the following isn't meant as negative...We know the Bolt started on to the Sonic/Spark platform and evolved onto it's own but still resembles a Sonic hatchback...All we can do is speculate, GM EV'd the ICE Spark and probably green-lighted the ICE Sonic hatchback to be EV'ed and the engineers eventually convinced the top brass to let it be on it's own platform...

Sedans are falling out of favor for AWD CUVs/SUVs...An 200+ mile range AWD Equinox EV would outsell an EV Camaro or "sexy" looking sedan/coupe...
 

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I don´t see how GM could ignore the almost 400,000 hand raisers for the Model 3. GM never said the Bolt will be the only BEV they will offer, on the contrary they have referred to multiple EVs in the future. I think this is the reason the Bolt has a unique platform and the electric propulsion is designed around a modular concept. I see no reason why GM could not have started work on a more stylish and higher performing EV long ago using this platform and a higher performance variation of their electric propulsion. Perhaps this is the role of the Buick Velite shown in China this month.
 

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I don´t see how GM could ignore the almost 400,000 hand raisers for the Model 3. GM never said the Bolt will be the only BEV they will offer, on the contrary they have referred to multiple EVs in the future. I think this is the reason the Bolt has a unique platform and the electric propulsion is designed around a modular concept. I see no reason why GM could not have started work on a more stylish and higher performing EV long ago using this platform and a higher performance variation of their electric propulsion. Perhaps this is the role of the Buick Velite shown in China this month.

To the 375K-400K hand raisers, I'm sure GM did their homework as many predict roughly half of the hand raisers didn't pre-order in order to get into a long range BEV, they preordered get into a Tesla...Would never happen, but if Musk announced he decided to offer a TM3 with ICE option, how many would pick the ICE?

I believe in order to beat TM3 you can't design another vehicle from the ground up; what this article stated is the same Bolt EV platform but with a sleeker body...But as I pointed out, GM knows about styling, they decided on it being a hatchback and I can't imagine now they just had an epiphany that now it should have been in a more stylish vehicle...
 

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I'm curious to see how GM handles the Bolt EV rollout and its adoption. A better looking hatch-ish version, like the Gen2 Volt would be nice. If GM is going to announce something at NAIAS to try to compete with the Tesla Model 3, it's going to be a month or so before the final "part 3 reveal" of the Model 3. Tesla would have ample time to adjust their messaging for the "Spring" announcement.

Next year, 800V battery packs and 350kW DCFC are coming. I don't see how GM is going to keep up with Tesla and Porsche.
 

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This was in the article: "it’s no tech slouch. It comes with a 10.2-inch touch screen with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto to integrate smartphones. And automatic emergency braking, lane centering and front pedestrian detection and braking are available."

The $13K ICE Spark has CP/AA standard and everything else other than the large screen optional...But the real issue with the statement is that the Prime has all those things standard except for CP/AA which many don't even like anyways...To get all the safety stuff on the Bolt you have to jump to the Premier and add the safety packages...This is on top of DCFC which means your adding nearly $6K to the MSRP...
 

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But the real issue with the statement is that the Prime has all those things standard except for CP/AA which many don't even like anyways...To get all the safety stuff on the Bolt you have to jump to the Premier and add the safety packages...This is on top of DCFC which means your adding nearly $6K to the MSRP...
For safety the big ones would be Blind Spot warning and to a lesser extent rear traffic alert, and for those I think you'd have to get the Prime Advanced, which is $33K. There are are also many things you get with the Bolt EV including vastly superior performance and acceleration. Plus after credits and rebates and discounts the prices won't be all that different. In fact the Volt might be cheaper.
 

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The styling might be different but the 0-60 time would likely not change. This is all about a = F/m and unless F changes, which likely, acceleration isn't changing either. OTOH less Eco tires would boost performance and handling quite a bit, though that would come at the cost of some range.
It really depends if they maintain the layout. A RWD version of the Bolt should be able to dash to 60 mph a bit faster (maybe as much as .5 seconds). Also, if GM is intent on a sportier version, they could probably squeeze another 10-20 kW out of the platform.
 

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For safety the big ones would be Blind Spot warning and to a lesser extent rear traffic alert, and for those I think you'd have to get the Prime Advanced, which is $33K. There are are also many things you get with the Bolt EV including vastly superior performance and acceleration. Plus after credits and rebates and discounts the prices won't be all that different. In fact the Volt might be cheaper.
The biggest big one is the auto braking which is required to get the five star plus crash rating and as we learned here, many have reported that a Volt with Premier C2 was cheaper to insure than a LT...The Prime and most if not all Toyotas now offer that standard...

I was pointing out the articles tech selections were poor...Always on blue tooth sounds really techie and isn't on many other cars, the same with the mirror display...
 
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