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Actually about 1/2 a tank worth. This is from June 9, 2013 through last Sunday. I realized a day late that I actually hit the mark. Missed the opportunity to get a pic of the trip odometer as I reset it also on June 9th. So I roughly used 4.3 gallons to drive 75,000 miles. Works out to 17,400+ MPG. Of course a meaningless number.

All gas used was for EMMs and FMMs as I've driven 100% EV since May 23, 2012.
 

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Actually about 1/2 a tank worth. This is from June 9, 2013 through last Sunday. I realized a day late that I actually hit the mark. Missed the opportunity to get a pic of the trip odometer as I reset it also on June 9th. So I roughly used 4.3 gallons to drive 75,000 miles. Works out to 17,400+ MPG. Of course a meaningless number.

All gas used was for EMMs and FMMs as I've driven 100% EV since May 23, 2012.
But, but, but....the Volt only gets like 37 MPG and the Prius gets like 50+ or something...so, how is this possible because you couldn't possibly get better mileage than the mighty king of MPG Prius.










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I can beat this feat in 2 years! And use zero gallons of that smelly stuff.
I'm at 26,000 miles on my 2014 GM BEV!
And it gets less expensive every time I plug it in, due to Free Public Charging.
And NO shenanigans accomplishing this feat, unlike.....
 

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If I were you I'd fill the tank then drive in Hold mode until you've used it up and then fill it again. You have a tank of stale gas that you need to replace with fresh gas.
 

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All gas used was for EMMs and FMMs as I've driven 100% EV since May 23, 2012.
Congratulations, that’s quite an accomplishment!

And yet, if you haven’t fueled your primary electric traction motor with gas-generated electricity in 4+ years, how do you know your Volt remains capable of using the ICE to generate electricity?

Experiencing an EMM is adequate evidence the ICE is in working order, and doesn’t require the car to be in motion (opening the hood can demonstrate this, too). Is there any way a Volt owner can provoke the ICE into generating electricity when the car is not moving down the road? If you park the car, put it into Hold mode (unavailable on the 2011/2012 Volts, of course), and then turn the heat (or a/c) up high and wait, would the ICE come on and generate electricity to run the heater (air conditioner)?
 

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Congratulations, that’s quite an accomplishment!

And yet, if you haven’t fueled your primary electric traction motor with gas-generated electricity in 4+ years, how do you know your Volt remains capable of using the ICE to generate electricity?

Experiencing an EMM is adequate evidence the ICE is in working order, and doesn’t require the car to be in motion (opening the hood can demonstrate this, too). Is there any way a Volt owner can provoke the ICE into generating electricity when the car is not moving down the road? If you park the car, put it into Hold mode (unavailable on the 2011/2012 Volts, of course), and then turn the heat (or a/c) up high and wait, would the ICE come on and generate electricity to run the heater (air conditioner)?
That's how ari avoids gas miles on voltstats. Burning a couple gallons of gas while parked in the driveway adds 0 gas miles to the count.
 

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I just trick my car in to thinking it has fresh fuel added to it every 6 months so I never get the FMM. I have the original fuel (with Stabile added to the tank) still from sep 14 in my car, shows 29k miles on 3.7 gallons of fuel.
 

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I fill up with around 1.2 - 1.5 gallons around once a year. When I have Fuel Maintenance, I first burn off the remnants of what is in my tank. Usually around 1 gal. Then with the tank completely empty, I drive to the gas station and fill up the minimum to turn off FMM (fuel maintenance). 3 years in a row I have gotten exactly 318 days. My next FMM should be on Decemeber 2nd.
 

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How long does it take to burn off a gallon of gas without driving? Do you pop the hood and let it run all night?
 

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How long does it take to burn off a gallon of gas without driving? Do you pop the hood and let it run all night?
Yes I pop the hood. I think it is about a gallon an hour or so. I put a weight on the accelerator as it revs the engine higher. I always have less than a gallon (except for the first one) in 2013.
 

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I just reported that on my first EMM burn on my 2017 VoltStats didn't capture it as a gas event, all the miles were recorded as electric. I wonder if they or OnStar have changed how EMM is recorded?
 

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I just reported that on my first EMM burn on my 2017 VoltStats didn't capture it as a gas event, all the miles were recorded as electric. I wonder if they or OnStar have changed how EMM is recorded?
Same thing with my wife's 2016 Volt. I tried to do tbe EMM like I do in my Gen1, but it would not start until I was driving.
 

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Same thing with my wife's 2016 Volt. I tried to do tbe EMM like I do in my Gen1, but it would not start until I was driving.
Yup I mentioned that as an observation and it was pointed out to me that it's written in the manual. So you have to drive to accomplish EMM in a Gen II yet it's not recorded as gas usage.
 

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Ari_C is just going to have a heart attack the day he is forced to drive a few miles on fuel. Meanwhile, I'm the exact opposite. My 50 mile per day commute has grown to a 68 mile per day commute with no charging station at work. So my mileage has dropped from 90-100 to 75-80mpg. I have absolutely no chance of pulling off an Ari_C (yes, his name is now a noun to describe driving in all electric mode far beyond what the engineers designed. 17k MPG is absolutely insane.

Though Norton's 26k miles divided by 0 gallons approaches infinity, but is technically undefined.
 

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You guys should take a nice long road trip in your Volts. You're missing half the fun. At 75 mph on the ICE its smooth and quiet, very stable due to the weight of the battery pack centered and low. At the very least to keep these engines from seizing up do to lack of use!
 

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That's how ari avoids gas miles on voltstats. Burning a couple gallons of gas while parked in the driveway adds 0 gas miles to the count.
I’m aware Ari performs his EMMs and FMMs while parked, but because his ICE is never running while the car is in motion, it could be possible his ICE has also not been clutched to the second electric motor (i.e., acting as a generator) in the past 4+ years.

My question is, since Ari hasn’t driven down the road in Extended Range mode in 4+ years, how can he confirm his ICE is still capable of operating as designed as a generator?

If a Volt is parked, will the ICE start up to generate power to run the heater or air conditioning if the car is on and in Hold mode? When the heater or a/c has used enough power to drop the soc below the Hold soc point, would the ICE start up and generate electricity to recharge the battery (or merely power the heater or a/c), even if you were not moving? Of course, the 2012 Volt has no Hold mode, but a similar test could be made by switching to Mountain Mode when the battery soc was just above the MM-maintained level. Park the car, and then let the heater or air conditioner run to draw the soc down to the MM-maintained level. Would the ICE then come on to generate electricity to run the heater or a/c?
 

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I’m aware Ari performs his EMMs and FMMs while parked, but because his ICE is never running while the car is in motion, it could be possible his ICE has also not been clutched to the second electric motor (i.e., acting as a generator) in the past 4+ years.

My question is, since Ari hasn’t driven down the road in Extended Range mode in 4+ years, how can he confirm his ICE is still capable of operating as designed as a generator?

If a Volt is parked, will the ICE start up to generate power to run the heater or air conditioning if the car is on and in Hold mode? When the heater or a/c has used enough power to drop the soc below the Hold soc point, would the ICE start up and generate electricity to recharge the battery (or merely power the heater or a/c), even if you were not moving? Of course, the 2012 Volt has no Hold mode, but a similar test could be made by switching to Mountain Mode when the battery soc was just above the MM-maintained level. Park the car, and then let the heater or air conditioner run to draw the soc down to the MM-maintained level. Would the ICE then come on to generate electricity to run the heater or a/c?
The best thing to avoid wear and tear on engines is off. The next best thing is to go a nice smooth consistent speed. I wouldn't worry about Ari's generator. He doesn't need it anyway.
 

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craziness. Here I thought I was doing well at 1900 miles and 2 gallons of gas.
I guess this Colin has a long way to go.

AE7HF (Colin)
 
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