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I agree that it's a very good deal. That $5,000 Premium Upgrades Package, though... yikes.

Of course, now that I see what they were offering, I think it was a mistake to try to undercut the Bolt EV. They should have increased the base Model 3's battery size to 60 kWh, even if that meant upping the price. The Bolt EV is on the lower end of what I consider an acceptable range. The base Model 3 is definitely scraping the bottom.
 

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In the Volts upgrades were difficult,but perhaps in the tesla culture is not a big deal,,,probably that some of the upgrades will be safer and better in a couple of yrs down the road...
 

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I wonder if there are two different sized battery packs or whether there is only one, and the range and speed is just software. Up would be sweet to get the shorter range, but have the option to upgrade later if you need it.
 

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I wonder if there are two different sized battery packs or whether there is only one, and the range and speed is just software. Up would be sweet to get the shorter range, but have the option to upgrade later if you need it.
Given the curb weights, I'd say no. There's a 265 lb difference between the small battery and large battery versions.
 

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I'm still in, pending seeing the car in person.

But how many will reservation holders will balk at the pricing? I'm a dog, but I hope a huge amount balk at the ante.
 

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I wonder if there are two different sized battery packs or whether there is only one, and the range and speed is just software. Up would be sweet to get the shorter range, but have the option to upgrade later if you need it.
I suspect that they're different packs. Have they released actual pack sizes yet? I'm getting "60" and "85" from my envelope math which would line up for both the acceleration times (presuming the 60 car is about 250 lbs lighter than 85) and the range based on the photos of the displays behind Musk.
 

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There was a leak of 237 watt hours per mile on Tesla's website, so that would lead to 52 kWh and 73.5 kWh usable, so my guess is they will be labeled 55 and 75 kWh. However, Tesla might not label them as such, they might not give any indication of kWh, as they wan't to move away from that (now that they have an efficient EV they don't want it compared due to having a smaller batter :) )
 

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There was a leak of 237 watt hours per mile on Tesla's website, so that would lead to 52 kWh and 73.5 kWh usable, so my guess is they will be labeled 55 and 75 kWh. However, Tesla might not label them as such, they might not give any indication of kWh, as they wan't to move away from that (now that they have an efficient EV they don't want it compared due to having a smaller batter :) )
Right, mass production consumers care about mileage not "kWh". They care how far the Bolt (or Volt) goes on battery not the kWh of the battery. That is the point being made from a common sense stand point. GM emphasizes mileage not kWh as well. ICE manufacturers emphasis total miles not tank size in gallons.
 

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If you get the upgrades the RWD long range model is $60K ($59,900 but not sure if that includes destination, don't think it does). The NY Times is reporting that cars will be delivered to customers by the end of the year. This doesn't actually square with the timeline proffered, but seems reasonable given that the models which were delivered yesterday were delivered to employees for testing purposes.

The electric car space is getting competitive. I can see a huge opportunity for selling the electric Buick CUV against the M3. Wouldn't be as fast but it wouldn't be far off and, given the additional practical features, would be a better alternative for many people. Also, at the higher $60K trim, the M3 will cost as much as a Jaguar I-Pace after credits (Tesla won't have them available and Jaguar will), which is likely to be better on every parameter.
 

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If you get the upgrades the RWD long range model is $60K ($59,900 but not sure if that includes destination, don't think it does). The NY Times is reporting that cars will be delivered to customers by the end of the year. This doesn't actually square with the timeline proffered, but seems reasonable given that the models which were delivered yesterday were delivered to employees for testing purposes.

The electric car space is getting competitive. I can see a huge opportunity for selling the electric Buick CUV against the M3. Wouldn't be as fast but it wouldn't be far off and, given the additional practical features, would be a better alternative for many people. Also, at the higher $60K trim, the M3 will cost as much as a Jaguar I-Pace after credits (Tesla won't have them available and Jaguar will), which is likely to be better on every parameter.
If the ipace or Buick or Chevy FNR come in at $40-45k and delivered in quantities, I think you;d see a lot of tm3 people near the end of the line jump in. They got interested in electrics from the tm3 fanfair, but couldn't wait. Exciting times...still at a glacial pace. Another year and a half of waiting to see what changes/
 

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Actually, the Bolt EV fairs very well in comparison to the Model 3 at similar price points. Each has some definite advantages over the other. I think the Model 3 edges the Bolt EV out overall, but that edge narrows as the price goes down.

Of course, the format and availability trump all other factors. The next being the Supercharger Network support.
 

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Actually, the Bolt EV fairs very well in comparison to the Model 3 at similar price points. Each has some definite advantages over the other. I think the Model 3 edges the Bolt EV out overall, but that edge narrows as the price goes down.

Of course, the format and availability trump all other factors. The next being the Supercharger Network support.
The Great Unknowns:

What will be on the market in 2018? What will the Bolt be in 2018?

What will the Model 3 be in 2018? Price? Actual range? Reliability? Will the AEB finally work right?
 

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The Great Unknowns:

What will be on the market in 2018? What will the Bolt be in 2018?

What will the Model 3 be in 2018? Price? Actual range? Reliability? Will the AEB finally work right?
Oh, certainly, those are unknowns. I'm just saying that based on the information just released, the Bolt EV holds its own, especially at its price point.
 

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Oh, certainly, those are unknowns. I'm just saying that based on the information just released, the Bolt EV holds its own, especially at its price point.
Tesla right now is losing the technology war. I still want a M3, but I can't see Tesla catching up.

The AEB/FCW is very, very good on GM. I have a hunch that Super Cruise is about to bitch-slap AP2/AP1 in under 2 months, and Tesla will lose that war for good.
 

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One observation I made is that if a person does not work for Tesla, or Space X, or does not currently own Model S/X, then chances of that person seeing $7500 (or $3750) tax credit is very close to zero. Current Model S/X owners are moved to the front of the M3 line, even if they purchase Model S/X now. So in reality the model 3 will be $40k to $60k car, with no tax credit for regular folk. Quite expensive...
 

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One of the reviews mentioned tesla wants to move from kWh pack size to range. Personally I think this is a mistake as range varies so much depending on conditions. For urban drivers in la it's probably not an issue, but I need to know pack size so when I only get 2m/kWh in the winter cold I know how far I can go or if I can get home, or how much I need to charge to get home. I personally would like to see the gom/battery capacity bars be replaced by an actual kWh # in the battery.
 
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