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I hope Cadillac has one (XT3-e?) by 2020. My ELR will be pretty done by then. It'll be six years old.

I really need power adjustable seats for my back, so, Bolt ain't the one. Plus, I will never buy a car without at least ACC if not Super-Cruise.

2020 is only 2 model years maybe three if it's a 2021 model. This has got to be on the drawing boards if not production-intent mock-up in 2018. 2018 car shows should be interesting in the plug-in space.
 

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I hope Cadillac has one (XT3-e?) by 2020. My ELR will be pretty done by then. It'll be six years old.

I really need power adjustable seats for my back, so, Bolt ain't the one. Plus, I will never buy a car without at least ACC if not Super-Cruise.

2020 is only 2 model years maybe three if it's a 2021 model. This has got to be on the drawing boards if not production-intent mock-up in 2018. 2018 car shows should be interesting in the plug-in space.
I think we will be seeing a lot of this very soon. The person worried the most is Elon. The technology is out there, as is the demand. Now that the big boys are making these cars, Tesla will have an increasingly uphill battle. You sort of wonder if Tesla may go the way of the Tucker.
 

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I think we will be seeing a lot of this very soon. The person worried the most is Elon. The technology is out there, as is the demand. Now that the big boys are making these cars, Tesla will have an increasingly uphill battle. You sort of wonder if Tesla may go the way of the Tucker.
Tucker only built about 50 cars. There are probably more Teslas than that within a couple mile radius of my house.

Batteries are key, and Elon has a Gigafactory...
 

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I think we will be seeing a lot of this very soon. The person worried the most is Elon. The technology is out there, as is the demand. Now that the big boys are making these cars, Tesla will have an increasingly uphill battle. You sort of wonder if Tesla may go the way of the Tucker.

I think they made a big mistake making the III a sedan, that isn't where the market is.
 

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Tucker only built about 50 cars. There are probably more Teslas than that within a couple mile radius of my house.

Batteries are key, and Elon has a Gigafactory...
Your point is well taken, but when Tucker got into business there were orders of magnitude fewer cars anywhere. The point is , he was a revolutionary and got eaten by the established companies (and some underhanded dealings).

Yes, Tesla has the gigafactory, but I wouldn't bet on a company like GM or Mercedes with the incredible cash balances they have to buy/create whatever they want. Tesla doesn't have near the process knowledge of a Ford/GM. Innovation is great, but scale makes you king.
 

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Looks like Ford and VW are slugging it out big time....with press releases. Actual EV cars from Ford and VW, not so much.

While the others issue press releases, GM is already working on Bolt EV Gen 2 and Volt Gen 3. By 2020, GM will have likely introduced at least one if not more EV's and EREV's as well as lite non-plug models.
 

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I agree that GM has a "grand opportunity" to expand their EV lineup and get in on the ground floor of the next big thing in auto.
That isn't going to bother Elon and Tesla one bit. It's all good.
 

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I think they made a big mistake making the III a sedan, that isn't where the market is.
Have you seen the number of preorders? Sure a compact crossover like the model Y would be in demand, yet it'll both be more expensive and harder to build...
 

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Elon has the setup and money to continue on - he is changing the way the big boys do business not the other way around. Now, he still has a lot of catch up to do with sales and service centers, replacement parts availability, but he is WAY ahead of any of the other new car manufacturers trying to get into the EV business.

Glad Ford is getting serious, the more the merrier and overall wasn't this Elon's goal all along? To get all the manufacturers to make EVs?

I don't own a Tesla and probably won't have the chance to for a long time - but I do admire what he has done.
 

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I think we will be seeing a lot of this very soon. The person worried the most is Elon. The technology is out there, as is the demand. Now that the big boys are making these cars, Tesla will have an increasingly uphill battle. You sort of wonder if Tesla may go the way of the Tucker.
Worried? Go read the Tesla mission statement again, and then reflect on the patent announcement they made last year. If Ford and Audi and everybody follow through with all the promises they're making, Elon will dance a happy jig.

Elon and Tesla never wanted to own the whole EV market - they want to get everyone buying EVs from someone, anyone.

If they come anywhere close to meeting their promises on the 3 rollout, there's no risk of turning into a Tucker, no matter how well the rest of the industry does (and you'll note that Tesla has a couple of years to gain market and mind share before all this competition is supposed to arrive. They'll likely be selling the Y before the Ford and Audi and Jaguar reach customers.)
 

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If you read beyond the clickbait title, you'll see a very slanted article which boils down to one statement "Fainting spells, dizziness, seizures and other symptoms have led to more than 100 calls to ambulances since 2014"...What IS the industry average of ambulance calls? Surely every auto factory has ambulance calls...In the article it does state that Musk says they're above the industry average in safety...
 

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I really do hope someone builds a $35K ish Equinox/Escape/Rav4/CRV sized (size = interior and cargo room in this case) 200+ mile BEV by 2020. I think battery prices still need to fall a lot for that to happen but we will see. I personally think Tesla or GM have a better shot than Ford.
 

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Yahoo Finance is crap journalism.

If you read beyond the clickbait title, you'll see a very slanted article......
CNBC is crap journalism.

Read the Guardian article. I didn't see it as slanted, as it cites remedies in place and gave a much more relevant and complete picture.
 

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Yahoo Finance is crap journalism.



CNBC is crap journalism.

Read the Guardian article. I didn't see it as slanted, as it cites remedies in place and gave a much more relevant and complete picture.
Well said; too bad the OP didn't post the Guardian article to begin with...
 

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If you read beyond the clickbait title, you'll see a very slanted article which boils down to one statement "Fainting spells, dizziness, seizures and other symptoms have led to more than 100 calls to ambulances since 2014"...What IS the industry average of ambulance calls? Surely every auto factory has ambulance calls...In the article it does state that Musk says they're above the industry average in safety...
That's a "days since lost-time on-the-job accident" average of three days. Every factory job I've worked considered less than 100 weird, and when I left the paper mill, they were at 335.
 

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Well, along with the announcement that the COE was replaced, Ford reiterated on the 300 "SUV" and it's bad news, they state “We think we have a technology path that will get us a 300 plus miles range and an affordable crossover utility that will be fully competitive"...

So an intentionally omission of "SUV" and the addition of "crossover", just tells me they have no idea what they're doing...Add to that there's no mention we already have something in development and "THINK" they found the path? Again just not good...When we hear SUV most were hoping for the AWD Escape EV...Now it's sounding like we'll get a FWD Fiesta EV which Ford will call a "crossover" which could be delayed beyond 2020...
 

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Well, along with the announcement that the COE was replaced, Ford reiterated on the 300 "SUV" and it's bad news, they state “We think we have a technology path that will get us a 300 plus miles range and an affordable crossover utility that will be fully competitive"...

So an intentionally omission of "SUV" and the addition of "crossover", just tells me they have no idea what they're doing...Add to that there's no mention we already have something in development and "THINK" they found the path? Again just not good...When we hear SUV most were hoping for the AWD Escape EV...Now it's sounding like we'll get a FWD Fiesta EV which Ford will call a "crossover" which could be delayed beyond 2020...
And Escape is hardly an SUV. Today every vehicle with more than 4 inches of ground clearance is considered a crossover.
 
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