[Steverino]

The EPA just revealed its figures for the 2019 Hyundai Kona Electric, the automaker's first battery-electric crossover in the US. It's officially rated at 258 miles per charge, which is 20 miles more than the Bolt EV. It's not even close to other competitors, coming in 107 miles higher than the 2018 Nissan Leaf, 134 miles higher than the Hyundai Ioniq Electric and 169 miles higher than the Honda Clarity Electric.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hyundai-kona-electric-ev-range/

 

[scottf200]

The EPA just revealed its figures for the 2019 Hyundai Kona Electric, the automaker's first battery-electric crossover in the US. It's officially rated at 258 miles per charge, which is 20 miles more than the Bolt EV. It's not even close to other competitors, coming in 107 miles higher than the 2018 Nissan Leaf, 134 miles higher than the Hyundai Ioniq Electric and 169 miles higher than the Honda Clarity Electric.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hyundai-kona-electric-ev-range/

This chart/table will need to be updated to add the 2018 Hyndai Kona Electric.
August 17th, 2018 by Zachary Shahan -- "Confirmed: 2019 Nissan LEAF To Have More Range, More Power"
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/08/17/confirmed-2019-nissan-leaf-to-have-more-range-more-power/

 

[Ladogaboy]

I'll be curious about the Kona EV's final MSRP for the U.S. market, but my guess is that it will start at $38,000 to $39,000 and top out at about $46,000.

One thing that is a bit concerning: It sounds like Hyundai isn't planning on selling it outside of ZEV states (or possibly just California and a couple of others). We might have to wait until the 2019 LEAF arrives before we see another sub $40,000, 200+ mile EV available in all 50 states.

 

[jcanoe]

All of that technology and yet somehow the designers of the Kona Electric decided that the Kona needed a front facia that looks like it is made out of Legos.

 

[emartin00]

I'll be curious about the Kona EV's final MSRP for the U.S. market, but my guess is that it will start at $38,000 to $39,000 and top out at about $46,000.

One thing that is a bit concerning: It sounds like Hyundai isn't planning on selling it outside of ZEV states (or possibly just California and a couple of others). We might have to wait until the 2019 LEAF arrives before we see a sub $40,000, 200+ mile EV available in all 50 states.

I'll also be very curious, as it and its sibling, the Niro EV are at the top of my list to replace my Volt. That is if I can actually get my hands on one sometime early next year.

 

[Qinsp]

I'll be curious about the Kona EV's final MSRP for the U.S. market, but my guess is that it will start at $38,000 to $39,000 and top out at about $46,000.

One thing that is a bit concerning: It sounds like Hyundai isn't planning on selling it outside of ZEV states (or possibly just California and a couple of others). We might have to wait until the 2019 LEAF arrives before we see a sub $40,000, 200+ mile EV available in all 50 states.

It is ironic that the state furthest behind in it's EV infrastructure per car and with one of the highest electricity costs is the one most profitable for automakers to sell EVs in.

Which states don't sell Chevrolet Bolts? The 'Tesla' pricing is $36.x thousand. True = $37,495.

 

[Qinsp]

All of that technology and yet somehow the designers of the Kona Electric decided that the Kona needed a front facia that looks like it is made out of Legos.

The styling is terrible. But some of that has to do with it's ICE format.
The Model X seems to sell OK even though it looks very goofy.
I remember when my wife and I were discussing getting a Tesla. We were driving along, and a Model X pulls in front of us.
Her exact words: "Not no, but hell no."

Part of the reason we haven't purchased a Tesla was that day. It became a bit of a heated discussion, and we must agree on major purchases.

 

[obermd]

The styling is terrible. But some of that has to do with it's ICE format.
The Model X seems to sell OK even though it looks very goofy.
I remember when my wife and I were discussing getting a Tesla. We were driving along, and a Model X pulls in front of us.
Her exact words: "Not no, but hell no."

Part of the reason we haven't purchased a Tesla was that day. It became a bit of a heated discussion, and we must agree on major purchases.

The only color the Tesla Model X looks good in is black. No other color works. Until I saw a black Model X I agreed with your wife.

 

[obermd]

Federal Tax Credit and ZEV State Sales only

As far as I'm concerned sales in ZEV states only should count agains the 200,000 but not be eligible for Federal Tax Credits. If you want your car eligible for the credit you need to make it available nationwide. If you want to start in ZEV states that's fine but after a month or two you need to be selling everywhere.

We already have threads here where the two sides of the argument/discussion can be tracked to ZEV state/non-ZEV state residents.

 

[saghost]

The EPA just revealed its figures for the 2019 Hyundai Kona Electric, the automaker's first battery-electric crossover in the US. It's officially rated at 258 miles per charge, which is 20 miles more than the Bolt EV. It's not even close to other competitors, coming in 107 miles higher than the 2018 Nissan Leaf, 134 miles higher than the Hyundai Ioniq Electric and 169 miles higher than the Honda Clarity Electric.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hyundai-kona-electric-ev-range/

So after all the drama, almost exactly the same efficiency as a Bolt, but with ~10% more energy to work with - and around 10% less efficient than the 3LR, especially on the highway. (Presumably the 3SR will be slightly more efficient yet, if it ever arrives.)

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=40585&id=39836&id=39786

 

[Steverino]

There is a sunroof pictured in one of the photo gallery slides. This is apparently a must have for many based on previous threads in the forum.

 

[Bill Step]

So after all the drama, almost exactly the same efficiency as a Bolt, but with ~10% more energy to work with - and around 10% less efficient than the 3LR, especially on the highway. (Presumably the 3SR will be slightly more efficient yet, if it ever arrives.)

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=40585&id=39836&id=39786

noticed that too.wonder if we'll get them here in MA.would like to check one out.might make a nice winter vehicle.

 

[FI Spyder]

I think you are going to see the battery size race in the next few years similar to the horse power race of ICE cars or their MPG race. Only much easier (just add more battery). Harder will be the efficiency race. Then there will be the race to adopt new battery technology race. Exciting times ahead. To be in the race today you have to have a 200+ mile going towards 300+ for an EV. I read somewhere that the Ioniq will be doubling range by next model as it was kind of left in the dust.

 

[wizard_of-ahs]

Is the battery water cooled?
Seems dumb to slap in a larger battery and then neglect to take care of it !

 

[scottf200]

Is the battery water cooled?
Seems dumb to slap in a larger battery and then neglect to take care of it !

POWERFUL ELECTRIC PROPULSION WITH 250-MILE RANGE
The Kona Electric powertrain employs a high-efficiency 150 kW (201 horsepower) permanent-magnet synchronous electric motor supplied by a high-voltage 64 kWh lithium-ion battery. The motor develops 291 lb.-ft. of torque distributed to the front wheels through a 7.981 axle ratio. The powertrain inverter has a power density of 25.4 kVA per liter. The battery system is liquid-cooled and operates at 356 volts. Battery pack energy density is 141.3 Wh/kg (greater than Chevy Bolt), with a total battery system weight under 1,000 lbs.
...
An eighty percent charge can be achieved in 54 minutes with a Level-III quick charge (zero to 80 percent charge @ 100 kW), using the SAE-Combo charging port, while a 7.2 kW Level-II charger takes nine hours and thirty five minutes.

This 100 kW DC fast-charging capability is standard on the Kona Electric.

https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/2507

 

[sosmerc]

The only color the Tesla Model X looks good in is black. No other color works. Until I saw a black Model X I agreed with your wife.

I know it's just a matter of opinion, but the X looks fine to me from all angles EXCEPT the rear. Reminds me of that AWD Honda sedan/suv thing that is just plain "odd".

 

[Norton]

This chart/table will need to be updated to add the 2018 Hyndai Kona Electric.
..
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/08/17/confirmed-2019-nissan-leaf-to-have-more-range-more-power/

And maybe it should be pointed out to cleantechnica that [news flash] the $35k Tesla does not exist!

 

[scottf200]

And maybe it should be pointed out to cleantechnica that [news flash] the $35k Tesla does not exist!

Does not yet exist. But they are sure selling the more profitable ones. Darn capitalist that want to survive. https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/

(Aside: BTW, Did you see I answered all your questions about speed, etc. in my thread: https://gm-volt.com/forum/showthrea...using-AutoPilot-and-SCs&p=4608107#post4608107 )

 

[FI Spyder]

leaf

Is the battery water cooled?
Seems dumb to slap in a larger battery and then neglect to take care of it !

While one would expect a water cooled system to better control the temperature of the battery (and the Leaf would seem to support this) is this the case in a well designed air cooled system? When I was looking at the Outlander (air cooled) the salesman said the battery was warrantied for 10 years (vs. 8 years for the Volt).

 

[Bill Step]

don't they have to make money,,before losing on every 35k car?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/ubs...|finance|headline|story|&par=yahoo&yptr=yahoo