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I find it odd that nothing has come about in terms of the 2018 volt, it could only be 6 months away or over a year.

I am hoping they roll the Malibu hybrid exhaust heat recovery into the volts 1.5 engine.

Any speculation?

(Just because the bolt is coming out doesn't mean I don't want volt updates)
 

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probably for the same reason their isn't any news on to 2018 Stingray.... GM wants to sell 2017's.

But I hear the 2019 Volt will be extra special.
 

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This is normally around the time automakers start selling the 2017 models. It is probably too early to start promoting the 2018 models. They don't want people who would buy now to put off their purchase in anticipation of next year's car.
 

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News will be out next August. I will not speculate on the changes but it seems that there are improvements that could nearly be taken off the shelf from other designs.
 

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I am hoping they roll the Malibu hybrid exhaust heat recovery into the volts 1.5 engine.
Personally, I would find it surprising if they roll that into the Volt. Why? Because it is diminishing returns: The Volt uses its engine much less often, and hence, there is less heat to recover with the same expense of added parts.
 

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There will likely not be much change with the '18 Volt (new colors? Slight price adjustment? Rear vision camera mirror?....and we wouldn't hear much till early next summer anyways.

I believe it won't be till MY19 when there are some significant changes (facelift? Range bump? Price chop?)
 

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Hmm so
2017 = March 2016
2018 = January 2018
 

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It is still 2016 and for most models, the 2017 is the "brand new" model, with the dealers still clearing out the left-over 2016 models. For an existing product, they usually don't say much about the next year's model's features until they have pretty much stopped production on the current year, usually in the summer. Don't want dealers to be stuck with too much old inventory.

My instinct is that any significant changes will be in the battery chemistry and assembly to further cut cost/improve profit. Could mean a lower MSRP to offer it at the Prius Prime price point. With the Bolt out and long-range EV's from several others on-tap within a year, the Volt will have to compete more aggressively against other plug-in hybrids rather than against BEV's.
 

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Personally, I would find it surprising if they roll that into the Volt. Why? Because it is diminishing returns: The Volt uses its engine much less often, and hence, there is less heat to recover with the same expense of added parts.
I would think the exact opposite, I run my motor everyday for 2 months a year when it's cold, Erdtt could be 100% more efficient with that tech (exhaust generated heat takes seconds)
It would also reduce engine wear on a motor that is cycled often
 

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well let's speculate just for the fun of it.

I'm rooting for an all aluminum body/frame, Direct DC charging, and oh let's say 50 more horsepower. :rolleyes:
 

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The Volt is due for a mid-life kicker in 2019, hopefully more battery range but not much more. We keep having the will there be a Gen3 Volt or not discussion on this group. My feeling is that it won't happen if GM can get the Bolt, or some other BEV, to a 400 mile range. If they stall out and can't get past 300 miles of battery range they might consider a Gen3 Volt otherwise it will remain pretty much the same, with some incremental improvements, until they decide to kill it in favor a pure battery EVs.
 

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I hope they keep an EREV in the lineup for a long time. Even with 200-300+ mile BEVs, an EREV is still an attractive option, IMO. It can do things no BEV can do.
 

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I hope they keep an EREV in the lineup for a long time. Even with 200-300+ mile BEVs, an EREV is still an attractive option, IMO. It can do things no BEV can do.
I think the magic number is 400 miles of range. A BEV with 400 miles or better, plus very fast charging (Tesla's do 120KVh/hour) completely solves the problem. 400 miles is a very long day, the longest day trip that I've taken this year is 375 miles which was a 13 hour day. The only way you do more than that in a day is pure super-highway driving. If you have fast chargers at highway rest stops a 400 mile car would need to stop after 5 hours (~300 miles) to charge for 30 minutes, that would get you another 200 miles of range, enough to get you to your destination. On that type of driving you want to stop at least that frequently just to stretch your legs. A BEV with 300 miles of range is marginal because the range between charging stops would 200 miles for people who like to play it safe, and no more then 250 miles for people who like to take their chances. I'm confident that there will be 400 mile BEVs by 2021, they might be pricey but they will be available. GM is likely to keep the Volt around in it's present form until 2025 which will handle the transition period until reasonably priced 400 mile BEVs are ubiquitous.
 

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Hmm so
2017 = March 2016
2018 = January 2018
Technically, Feb/Mar has been called a 1/2 year model. I have a couple. There is a 2004.5 and 2006.5. These had massive changes from their base year models. Why they didn't call the 2017 a 2016.5 is puzzling.

Normally a Model Year about late September. So by tradition, the 2017 Bolt is late, and the 2017 Volt was way early.
 

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I think the magic number is 400 miles of range. A BEV with 400 miles or better, plus very fast charging (Tesla's do 120KVh/hour) completely solves the problem. 400 miles is a very long day, the longest day trip that I've taken this year is 375 miles which was a 13 hour day. The only way you do more than that in a day is pure super-highway driving. If you have fast chargers at highway rest stops a 400 mile car would need to stop after 5 hours (~300 miles) to charge for 30 minutes, that would get you another 200 miles of range, enough to get you to your destination. On that type of driving you want to stop at least that frequently just to stretch your legs. A BEV with 300 miles of range is marginal because the range between charging stops would 200 miles for people who like to play it safe, and no more then 250 miles for people who like to take their chances. I'm confident that there will be 400 mile BEVs by 2021, they might be pricey but they will be available. GM is likely to keep the Volt around in it's present form until 2025 which will handle the transition period until reasonably priced 400 mile BEVs are ubiquitous.
Wimp...we routinely did 900 miles in a day when going from MN to Erie, PA to visit family. Not fun and really achy but something that *could* be done in a Volt. I hope they keep an EREV in the lineup.
 

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Hmm so
2017 = March 2016
2018 = January 2018
Like most domestic manufacturers GM's traditional model year commences in Sept-Oct of the previous calendar year.
Yes, the 2017 Volt was "short-shifted" but that was beyond the norm.
Usually the only time this occurs is when an all-new model is released early.
There wont be a 2018 Volt until next fall
Stay Tuned! ;)

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I just took a 2000 mile r/t from my home in southern Illinois to southern Maryland via I 70 thru DC. We split the trip into two 450 mile days. We spent the night in Zaneville Oh.

It was about all I could do. My 2016 Equinox made it without having to fuel, but we stopped twice at rest stops for maybe 10 minutes each and about 30 minutes for lunch. Door to door worked out to 9+ hours.

For fun I planned the trip using a Tesla S60 (with about a 175 mile range close to a Bolt) and using their SC network would have worked nicely as I could have timed my rest stops for enroute charges and then plan my RON near a SC IN Columbus. So in my mind it's more about charging infrastructure than paying for a HUGE battery and extra weight. Give me MORE PLUGS.
 

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I think the magic number is 400 miles of range. A BEV with 400 miles or better, plus very fast charging (Tesla's do 120KVh/hour) completely solves the problem. 400 miles is a very long day, the longest day trip that I've taken this year is 375 miles which was a 13 hour day. The only way you do more than that in a day is pure super-highway driving. If you have fast chargers at highway rest stops a 400 mile car would need to stop after 5 hours (~300 miles) to charge for 30 minutes, that would get you another 200 miles of range, enough to get you to your destination. On that type of driving you want to stop at least that frequently just to stretch your legs. A BEV with 300 miles of range is marginal because the range between charging stops would 200 miles for people who like to play it safe, and no more then 250 miles for people who like to take their chances. I'm confident that there will be 400 mile BEVs by 2021, they might be pricey but they will be available. GM is likely to keep the Volt around in it's present form until 2025 which will handle the transition period until reasonably priced 400 mile BEVs are ubiquitous.
That totally assumes you can get a charge at your destination or wherever you need it along the way. How do you charge a 400 mile BEV on 120 volts at a sleepy little motel tucked away up some remote canyon or whatever? It would take a week.
 

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17s were premature and should last for a longer model year than usual.
No 18s until next autumn.
Every other model has only just released 17s.
 
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