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Stephen Banks :
Nice article, I purchased one last month. I was torn between the Volt and waiting for the Bolt EV but I eventually gave in and went for the Volt.The deciding factor was the 400+ mile range of the Volt. While the Bolt can do 200 miles, I sometime drive to NYC and can put 250 miles round trip.The 16% discount by Chevy on the Volt was also a deciding factor.


The sad thing is I like my Volt so much I keep in in the garage and drive my 2010 Prius everywhere.

I nearly didn't give you a +1 after I read your last sentence, LOL.

But truly, I'm sure the Volt will work it's way to your regular driver once you contrast the annoying way your Prius' gas engine is on all the time, and your Volt just the opposite. All-electric drive is what it's all about. Plugging in gives us that extra time in smooth, quick quiet mode. I still own
our 2nd gen Prius, but it's days are seriously numbered.

Just as a 53 all-electric Volt is a revelation vs. a hybrid - I think a BEV like a 400 mile Tesla with 4 times today's current amount of Superchargers available...Would be that next step in kissing that gas range extender to the curb for good.

Keep us posted, please...Of your experience with both your hybrid and your EREV Volt.
 
kdawg : Good.The more flavors of plugins the better.The biggest hurdle is familiarity and education.
Actually one of the biggest hurdles is the lack of enough public charging opportunities. Even Tesla is feeling the pinch, and the M3 is still a glint in their eyes. On holiday weekends the busiest Superchargers have lines.

This is early days stuff. Surely as the numbers of EVs increase, their will be commercially viable
ways to bring ghe public charging situation into the private sector, just like gas stations became a viable business when enough cars were on the roads. This will take a decade and more, I believe.

Go to the ICHOLES facebook page and see the blocked public chargers out there, or read the tales of people who go far out of their way to find a charge.
 
kdawg : Good.The more flavors of plugins the better.The biggest hurdle is familiarity and education.
GM has to give up educating people on how Volt works. People truly don't care. The masses I mean.
Do people stress on how their Prius works? Heck no! Most Prius drivers were focused on one single thing: My Prius will get great gas mileage.

In that - these Volt owner testimonial ads are great. Now only if GM will put the ads on TV!
Also, I believe there are a lot of nutjobs like John out there in denial about how their Prius is better than any Volt. Some think that because of Toyota's ( now tarnished ) reputation of reliability and quality. Others just follow the herd.

Engineers are not good sales people. In sales you have to cut to the chase of what an average
car buyer is looking for. Prius is the number one trade-in for Volt. In that - they sell seven to eight
Prii for ever Volt sold each month. To get past the preconceptions, GM could educate on how Volt
supercedes Prius ( and Prime! ) in many many ways.
 
James : Also, I believe there are a lot of nutjobs like John out there in denial about how their Prius is better than any Volt.

Really? You're starting the "vastly superior" nonsense again? What did that spin accomplish with gen-1?

Ugh. This thread was an effort to present what this particular plug-in has to offer. The point is there is no "better". Clearly, that lesson still hasn't been learned.

Other offerings, like Prius Prime, will have different strengths. True, it does have a smaller battery-capacity. The tradeoff is lower production-cost (very important when the tax-credits expire) and you still get to-the-floor acceleration in EV. You also get outstanding MPG when the plug-supplied electricity is used up.

Again, if you interpret that as "better", so be it. No loss to the rest of us. That isn't point though. You can still enjoy the larger battery-capacity Volt offers. Just don't misrepresent what the other have to offer.

Remember, the competition is traditional vehicles. They are absolutely crushing plug-in sales. No amount of distraction can hide that harsh reality.
 
James : Actually one of the biggest hurdles is the lack of enough public charging opportunities.

I'd say that is a hurdle, but not the biggest. People don't even know about plug-in cars, so they surely aren't thinking about public chargers. Also, most people have a 120V socket at home to plug into, which works great for cars like the Volt. It's easy to replace daily EV driving overnight (that's what I do). I'm not saying we don't need more public chargers (say for apartment dwellers), but just that I place that priority below education/familiarity. I think I would also place cost at or above charging. The large price tag tends to scare people as much as the technology, and they won't do the math to figure any savings. Also many don't qualify for the tax credit.


James : GM has to give up educating people on how Volt works. People truly don’t care.

They don't need to know what goes on in the black box, but they first need to know the product exists and what the owner experience is like and all of the benefits. They need to be comfortable they can actually own a car like this; that it won't need major repairs or a battery replacement in 5 years. Basically debunk all the myths that have been put out there.
 
Kdawg : People don’t even know about plug-in cars, so they surely aren’t thinking about public chargers.

Incorrect. The new grocery store that just opened near my house has 4 charging spots. I get asked questions on a regular basis from people passing by. Those ordinary people are very much thinking about them, hence wanting to know more.

The most frequently asked questions are how long does it take and how many miles. They know both vary. That awareness is obvious.


Kdawg : Also, most people have a 120V socket at home to plug into, which works great for cars like the Volt.

13 hours is not realistic. Upon your return from driving somewhere after dinner, it is already too late to get a full recharge prior to leaving for work. 240v is needed for that. You'd want to recharge during off-peak for lower rates anyway, which would require a level-2 charger.
 
john1701a : Those ordinary people are very much thinking about them, hence wanting to know more.

Umm.. if they are asking about the chargers & charging time than they probably already know about plug-in cars. I'm talking about joe-six-pack, or mini-van-soccer-mom, who have no clue about EVs. These people aren't asking about chargers because they don't even know about EVs.


john1701a : 13 hours is not realistic.

Who said 13hours? I charge in 8hrs on 120V, and that's only if I use all my battery. Getting a charge isn't crucial either. That's what the range extender is for. If you want a BEV and are worried about charging, or that's your only car, then get a L2 charger.
 
john1701a ,

You're talking about the 53 mile Gen2. Again, I don't use all of my 40 mile range most days in my Volt and let it charge at the slower setting usually. I also opportunity charge after work, before errands, at times. Overnight works fine. So for you to say it's unrealistic is incorrect, since I'm living proof (among many other owners). You should also be aware that charging isn't linear. So a large bulk of that time for a FULL charge is just getting the last few miles, which isn't that significant/necessary.
 
Kdawg : Also many don’t qualify for the tax credit.

For years, the availability of the tax-credit was represented as something for everyone... so common, it wasn't even mentioned. Price was just posted as if it was guaranteed. Now with the challenges phaseout will bring, it is being portrayed the opposite way. That's quite telling.

It's an acknowledgement of need. Too bad so much time (too little, too slowly) was wasted getting to this point.

At least it's progress. The true competition has always been and will continue to be traditional vehicles. Other plug-in vehicles are not. No amount of downplay or distraction will change that.

Volt has good qualities to offer. Don't waste time trying to paint a prettier picture for it than necessary. Ordinary consumers who shop the showroom floor won't care anyway.
 
john1701a : Who are you trying to convince ?

I'm trying to convince you that you can survive with a PHEV and 120V charging. A BEV as well (but I'd want another car as a backup). It's not "unrealistic".
 
Avoiding specifics by lumping all PHEV together accomplishes what? For that matter, why mix generations of the same PHEV together? Being vague can misrepresent. It can also mislead. We're trying to avoid that. For example: Setting the expectation of a full recharge of a gen-2 Volt for daily driving using only a level-1 charger (120v) is unrealistic.

Overcoming the challenges of competing with traditional vehicles requires an effort to be clear about purpose, which includes details about operation & design.

It's somewhat odd trying to sell someone battery-capacity they won't entirely use on a regular basis. Why pay for the extra electricity storage if you have a gas engine readily available? Same goes for paying to have an engine if you only intend to drive with electricity.

In other words, it can be a hard sell. Why make that even more difficult by not being specific?

Don't allow for assumption or disenchantment. Be upfront about the vehicle. The appealing aspects are what entices a purchase. So, no need to worry about a few negatives.
 
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