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For health care, you probably should Cloudnine, yes. Some have more "practice" with medicine than others.
Yes of course, however that misses the point. That's like saying some dealers have better service departments than others.

I am talking about a specific malady, in this case, Volts. Joe Average, just getting into a Volt, is very likely to presume that every Chevy dealer is capable of competently servicing a Volt.
 

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Joe Average, just getting into a Volt, is very likely to presume that every Chevy dealer is capable of competently servicing a Volt.
And whether or not Joe Average is clued in to the need for Certified Volt Technician, any reputable mechanic ought to know that (s)he can't just start working on an EV without special training and equipment. So, obviously, the GM dealership should have not taken on the job if they didn't have a certified technician. They should have found the nearest dealership that had one, and sent the OP there.
 

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Counter factual and about as useful as the original post. I've had three Volts over the last 10 years. They've been my only cars.
2012 - Leased new. No issues with this car. Don't know what happened to it after returned.
2015 - Purchased new. Electric cabin heater failed in 2017. Dealer gave a ride to and from to diagnose. Provided a loaner during the two days to make the repair. Brother bought this car. No issues I've heard of, and it looks like new when I see it. he drives 50 miles/day for work and is limiting electric mode to 25 miles for battery health at my recommendation.
2018 - Purchased new. No issues so far.
 

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Because it requires special training and equipment. Not all Chevy dealers have them. With the advent of the Silverado EV, Equinox EV, Blazer EV that may change to a certain degree because those will require training and equipment as well. Servicing the EV parts of EV's is not the same as working on the ICE parts of a gas car.

If the issue was with a wheel, seat, tire, the gas engine, sure almost any dealer (or auto mechanic) can probably help.
You know that and I know that, but you didn't answer my question: why should the average Joe know that? Dealers make a big deal about having specialized knowledge to fix the cars they sell, so there is absolutely no reason for a new Volt owner to suspect that it's actually not the case that any Chevy dealer can service a Volt.

I have a 1980 Lennox Pulse very high efficiency (95.5%) gas furnace. Like the Volt, it's kind of a rare and wonderful beast. The thing that eventually kills it is a cracked heat exchanger. If that happens, game over. "Regular" furnace techs have little to no experience with this furnace as it's an odd duck (like the Volt, way ahead of it's time). Having it looked at by them is useless or worse. Expecting just any furnace company to work on it would be a mistake, just like expecting just any auto mechanic to work on the Volt's EV systems. Sure, some might be able to pull it off, but you are taking a gamble.
That again misses the point. Appliance and HVAC companies often certify local repair businesses as, for example, "Lenox factory certified." If you asked one of these businesses to repair your Lenox furnace and they had no idea what they are doing, and you later found out that only some factory-certified Lenox repair businesses were capable of fixing your specific model, you'd have reason to be confused and upset.

he drives 50 miles/day for work and is limiting electric mode to 25 miles for battery health at my recommendation.
Huh? Why do you think driving only 25 miles maintains battery health? The whole point of a Volt is to be able to drive around 50 miles on battery alone.
 

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why should the average Joe know that?
Because it can help avoid a problem. Knowledge is power.

The company should tell you they don't have the training or equipment to work on your car (or furnace), but some won't. Better to ask first. Trust but verify?

Why do you think driving only 25 miles maintains battery health?
Because he apparently doesn't know that the Volt's battery is already being babied by design. Because he doesn't know that calendar age looks to be the biggest factor in battery health. Just like with people.

We could ask "why should the average Joe know that?" My observation is the average Joe barely looks in the owner's manual, much less participate or even follow an online forum like this one. Until there is a problem...
 
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I mentioned the 25 mile aspect since this 2015 car is a couple months from being out of HV propulsion warranty. It's still a great car and would be sad if a catastrophic battery failure took it out once out of warranty. I've formed an opinion (for what it's worth) that age is a large determinant in probability of failure. Some on the forum here have suggested a weaker cell can drop below critical voltage when the battery is depleted, and power requirements are high as the engine spools up to take the electrical load.

As noted, there's buffers at the top and bottom of the battery to baby it. we're talking an 8-year-old car here though. Essentially, he's giving it a bit more buffer on the bottom. He wants to run this car for another 5 or so years. Maybe this will help him get there.
 

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The short version: Sell your Chevy Volt today! If you have any other GM vehicles, sell them today! Never buy GM again! Discourage your friends and family from buying GM vehicles!

The long version: Previously, I had owned a 2011 Toyota Prius, and thoroughly enjoyed that car. I averaged about 45 to 50 mpg. Unfortunately, it was t-boned, and I had to get another vehicle. I considered another Prius, but with some research I felt that a Chevrolet Volt was a better choice because it seemed to provide more of the things I wanted from a hybrid vehicle:
1, Primarily an electric car that plugged into a conventional 120v outlet.
2, No range anxiety with the gasoline backup.
3, Lower price compared to a Tesla.

I purchased a 2017 Chevy Volt from Carmax in July 2021. It had approximately 51,000 miles, had no negative reports on its Carfax, and I paid and extra $1,500 to have a blue one shipped, because I wanted to have one that I thought looked cool. I had such a chip on my shoulder. Among my friends I had become an unofficial salesman trying to convince them of the gem that is a Chevy Volt, and how disappointing it was that it was no longer manufactured by Chevrolet. I hadn’t been this insufferable about a new product since Netflix eliminated the need to go to Blockbuster in the early 00’s. I could drive farther than any Nissan Leaf, and for only 1/3 the price of a Tesla. I had decided on a second generation Volt (2016 – 2019) because it had longer range. 45 – 50 miles on a full charge compared to the 25 – 30 miles on the 2011 – 2015 models. Sticker price was about $17,900, and after the transfer fee, tax title and license, the total came to almost $21,000.

Over the course of a year I drove the Chevy Volt with no problems. I took the car on several road trips, and for day-to-day driving rarely used all the electric range. I would manually switch it to “Hold” on the freeway so that the gas engine would get some use. With that, the car would still calculate over 200 mpg. On road trips it would maintain 40 mpg when solely using gasoline. With GM transitioning to full electric vehicle by the end of the decade, my biggest concern was that the gasoline engine would have problems. I was afraid it might become difficult to find parts for the gasoline engine. Worst case scenario I would have to take it to a dealer for repair and pay higher prices. But not to worry, every major city has at least one Chevy/GM dealership, right? Repairing this type of vehicle they sold from 2011 to 2019 should not be a problem, right? WRONG!

Late July 2022, after a long day at work, my 2017 Chevy Volt wouldn’t start. I spent about 30 minutes trying to figure out what could be wrong. The console turned on, the shift was in Park, the brake was pressed, the E-brake would engage and disengage. Everything seemed to be fine. It just would not start. The console showed that I had plenty of gasoline, with a range of about 250 miles. The console also showed I had a full battery, with a range of zero. Which didn’t make any sense. And if the battery range was zero, why wouldn’t the gasoline engine start up? I watched a few YouTube video trying to figure out the problem, but eventually I called AAA.

AAA asked if I needed a jump start or a tow. One of the YouTube videos I watched suggested the lead-acid battery may be dead. I said, “Let’s try a jump start, but I might need a tow after.” The Chevy Volt’s lead-acid battery is located in the floor under the hatchback compartment, similar to where a Toyota Prius’ lead-acid battery is located. The connections for a jump-start are located under the hood in front of the driver’s side seat. AAA sent someone who attempted the jump-start the Volt following the proper connections for the Volt, but it did not start. The AAA guy asked if I tried using the key to start the vehicle. I had not. He proceeded to pry-off the START button from the dash. He said, “These cars with a START button also have a traditional key ignition behind the START button, and you use the key hidden in the FOB that you would use to unlock the door with to start it.” I was not aware of that! What a great idea! But there was no key ignition behind the START button. The AAA guy seemed more disappointed than I was. At that moment I wished the Chevy Volt had a transmission with a clutch and a first gear that I could pop to get it started. Even better, why not an emergency “go go gas engine” button or lever or switch? What if I had been traveling alone in a dangerous area when this happened?

Stumped, the AAA guy started watching YouTube videos about why the car won’t start. I couldn’t help but notice he was watching the same videos I watched before calling AAA. Eventually he gave up, and I arranged to get a tow from AAA. About 10 minutes after the AAA guy left the Chevy Volt’s gas engine inexplicably started. I don’t know exactly what I did, but I managed to drive it home safely and cancelled the tow truck.

Fortunately, when I purchased the Chevy Volt from Carmax I also purchased the supplemental warranty. The next day I had the vehicle towed to _ (1) located at (2) that honored the supplemental warranty. After two days, (1) determined the 2017 Chevy Volt to have a faulty Battery Energy Control Module (BECM) and that this issue is covered by the manufacturer warranty. (1) recommended that I tow the vehicle to a Chevrolet dealership to have the BECM replaced free of charge. They recommended (3) Chevrolet. So, I used AAA to have the Chevy Volt towed to (3) _ Chevrolet.

Upon arrival to _ (3) Chevrolet, I spoke with (A) and informed him that (1) determined the problem to be the BECM module. (A) _ said that they, “Only have one person in the State that works on GM EVs, so it will be about a week before they can look at my Chevy Volt.” This was not a problem since I have a backup vehicle.

Two weeks later I inquired with _ (3) Chevrolet who informed me they had not yet looked at my vehicle, but they’ll definitely get it evaluated within the next week. A week later, they still had not yet evaluated my Chevy Volt. I tried to reiterate to them that I already knew what was wrong, and if they contacted (1) _ they could probably tell them how they determined the problem was the BECM.

After a month of no forward movement with _ (3) Chevrolet I got frustrated and started to wonder if my vehicle qualified as a lemon. I found a law firm named (4) who specifically dealt with lemon law cases. (4) informed me that because my vehicle was purchased used it does not qualify as a “lemon” but it was possible that GM breached their warranty, and they might be able to obtain some compensation for me. But in order to proceed with a breach-of-warranty case they would need a record of what repairs were performed. I informed (4) _ that no repairs had been performed yet, so there was no records to provide.

I contacted _ (1) and asked if they could provide any records of my vehicle being there and how they determined the problem to be a faulty BECM. (1) stated that even though they were able to look up my vehicle in their computer, and that they determined it had a faulty BECM, it was a “cancelled ticket” and there was no documentation to share. Low and behold, the next day (3) Chevrolet contacted me and said they were able to evaluate my vehicle and determined the problem to be the BECM. How convenient! I asked if they could provide some documentation on this, and they said that because no work had been done yet they had no documentation to share. Also, because the BECM is essentially a microchip, it is on back order at least six weeks. This is after the vehicle had been at (3) _ Chevrolet for a month. This was not a problem because I have a backup vehicle.

On October 5th I got into a car accident that totaled my backup vehicle, which was not an immediate problem because I could rent a temporary vehicle with my car insurance. In my rental vehicle I drove to _ (3) Chevrolet and asked if they would like to purchase my 2017 Chevy Volt. That way I could either use it as a trade in for a working vehicle, or buy another vehicle elsewhere. Then (3) Chevrolet could take however long they wanted to repair my Chevy Volt, and do whatever they wanted when it was repaired. However, (3) _ Chevrolet told me they were not buying vehicles at this time. I asked if they could offer a loaner vehicle. They said they do not offer loaner vehicles anymore, and even if they did, it would only be for five days.

Feeling despondent, I decided to visit the Carmax dealership I purchased my 2017 Chevy Volt just to ask if they have any advice. I spoke with someone who offered an 800-number to GM Customer Service. That number is 1(866) 790-5600. I was surprised that this number was never offered to me by _ (3) _ Chevrolet. I encourage anyone with a GM vehicle to write this number down, share it with other GM owners. When I called, I spoke with someone about my situation and they were very empathetic to my situation. They offered to reimburse me for a rental vehicle, they offered to reimburse me for the gasoline on my rental vehicle, and they offered to reimburse me for half of the car payment I have made since it went into the shop early in August. I was so appreciative of this and expressed my overwhelming gratitude with GM and their customer support.

When my rental through my insurance ended in mid-November, I was able to close that account, open a new account, and continue to rent the same vehicle. But this was going to be on my own credit card. Not a problem because I had the assurance of GM, they would reimburse it on a monthly basis. On December 1st, I emailed the receipts and other documentation to [email protected] that was provided to me by my Customer Care representative _ (B) _ . The November reimbursement would be:
1, $1,469.90 for the rental car.
2, $600 for ½ the payments August through November.
3, $61.88 for gasoline.
For a grand total of $2,131.78.

After a week I had not heard anything and left a voicemail with _ (B) via the extension number she provided, but she did not call me back. The next day I called the main number and told them I am unable to reach my customer care representative, (B) . They just connected me to her voicemail again. I left another message. (B) _ called back within ten minutes and said, “How may I help you?” which indicated to me she had not checked her voicemail. I restated that I had sent my documentation about a week prior and was curious about the status of my reimbursement. Her tone then changed and said, “This case has been elevated to legal and I am no longer your representative.” And terminated the call.

The next day I called as soon as they opened at 8am EST and asked to be transferred to the GM legal department. They transferred me to legal and told them my situation. They informed that the law offices of _ (4) sent them some kind of letter. This was the same law office that apparently couldn’t do anything three months ago without me providing them documentation, now without my permission was taking legal action. And because of (4) legal action, GM closed my reimbursement case and would no longer talk with me. I don’t even know what was in that legal letter. In my experience, attorneys will ask a client’s permission to send a letter or perform an action just in case there has been a change in the situation. Apparently not at the law offices of (4) _.

With the promise to reimburse from GM rescinded, I had to get rid of my expensive rental car ballooning my credit card balance. I had to buy another vehicle immediately. I visited my bank, and fortunately was able to qualify for another car loan. While I was at the bank, I asked if they could look up the value of my 2017 Chevy Volt since they have access to a JD Power & Associates website appraisals. According to JD Power, my 2017 Chevy Volt with 61,500 miles was valued at $21,500. I spent the next few days researching other vehicles, and closed on a used Toyota on Thursday December 15th. Not two hours later, _ (3) _ Chevrolet called and said the BECM for my 2017 Chevy Volt had been shipped, was on its way, and would hopefully be installed in my vehicle next week…hopefully before the only Chevrolet EV Technician in the State went on Christmas Vacation. Having just purchased another vehicle, on Friday December 16th I returned my rental vehicle.

On Wednesday December 21st, _ (3) Chevrolet called and said they had received the BECM and that it was being installed on my 2017 Chevy Volt. On Thursday December 22nd, it was ready. I had a friend give me a ride to (3) _ Chevrolet and picked up my 2017 Chevrolet Volt that had been in the shop for four and a half months. I noticed a new dent by the driver’s side door handle, a scuff on the front right-side bumper, and a crack in the plastic driver’s side headlight. But I had been fighting with GM corporate, and I just wanted to go home. And at this point I needed to get rid of this 2017 Chevrolet Volt. But first I wanted to try and make peace with GM Customer Service.

I called 1(866) 790-5600, told them the situation, asked to be transferred to legal. Was connected to someone named _ (C) . I explained to (C) that all I wanted was for my car to be repaired and that the law offices of (4) acted without my permission. And if GM was willing to adhere to the original agreement of reimbursing my rental, my rental’s gasoline, and half my car payments, I would dismiss the attorney. And this would probably cost them less money. (C) said, “The button on the computer screen that would let me do that isn’t working. It’s greyed out for some reason.” I suggested maybe his computer needed a microchip that was on backorder. We both laughed. I suggested they could think about it and get back to me. As of the time I write this paragraph (25 February 2023) neither GM Legal, nor the law offices of (4) _ have contacted me and I have no idea what’s going on with the lawyer/legal aspect of this situation.

I had purchased the Chevy Volt with the intention of not having to use gasoline in daily driving, and then having a fuel-efficient car for road trips. I had assumed that if my Chevy Volt were to break down somewhere random in Iowa or Nevada or Tennessee, worst-case scenario I could have it towed to an authorized Chevrolet dealership and they would have the tools and expertise to repair the vehicle even if the repairs were expensive. It never crossed my mind that Chevrolet had failed to stockpile an appropriate number of replacement parts for a car that had been in production since 2011. Nor that they had failed to train enough staff to repair these vehicles. Worst of all, their customer service was difficult to contact. And when I did, they made promises they never intended to honor to a customer they never intended to keep.

There is an expression I learned in this situation, “You can replace a car, but you can’t replace a customer.” And this situation has cemented my brand loyalty with Toyota and Honda for life. Which is a shame because I have good memories with GM vehicles. My Mother owned both a 1969 and a 1977 Pontiac Firebird when I was young. Through college, I had a 1992 GMC Sonoma with a carbureted V6 and an extended cab. But I guess GM’s best days are in the past.

On Friday, January 6th 2023 I sold my 2017 Chevrolet Volt to a dealership. Not the one who repaired the vehicle…and scuffed the bumper, and cracked the headlight, and dented the driver’s side door. I sold it to _ (5) _ Chevrolet. Fortunately, they paid me what I owed, approximately $15,000. Even though I knew JD Power valued it at $21,500, I just wanted to get rid of the car and out of the loan. Also, I would feel guilty selling this vehicle to a private party for them to have similar problems I had. At least buying from a dealership there is usually an option for a supplemental warranty. A few days later I saw my old 2017 Chevy Volt for sale on their website for $22,997. As of 25 February 2023, it was still for sale.

Lessons Learned:
1: Consumer advocacy groups such as Consumer Reports and Car and Driver need to develop a way for consumers to evaluate how long they can expect their EVs to be in the shop if they have a problem so that they can make an informed purchase decision. If there is only one EV technician in your state and zero spare parts in North America, maybe that EV sticker price needs to come down a bit.

2: Consumers for all EVs must insist their manufacturer warranty explicitly covers the cost of a rental car, its fuel, and supplemental insurance if their EV is going to be in the shop for more than three business days. The supply chain is too unreliable for the average consumer to rely upon an EV as their only vehicle. If the dealership does not provide loaner cars available, they should immediately arrange with a rental car company (such as Enterprise) to provide a vehicle for warranty-covered repairs.

3: GM, or any other dealership, should offer their customer service number to people that drop off their vehicles the same day they drop off their vehicles. It should not be put upon the customer to be a detective to figure out how to contact their customer service. That GM Customer Service number again is 1(866) 790-5600.

4: Considering how GM killed the EV One in the late 1990s, which was the subject of the film “Who Killed The Electric Car,” and considering that GM cancelled the Chevy Volt in 2019, and considering how an essential spare part (the BECM) was not kept in stock, I can easily see how this was all part of the same short-sighted management decisions that has made GM such an unreliable brand. That is why you should sell your Chevy Volt today. Sell any other GM vehicle you may have. And encourage your friends and family to avoid GM vehicles.

5: Also considering that GM outsourced many manufacturing jobs throughout the 1980s and 1990s. Had they kept those jobs on American soil, maybe their quality of cars would not have gone down and there would be plenty of spare parts on this continent? Just saying.
Waaaahhhh…somebody call a waaambulance for this guy. The GM customer service # is in the owners manual. NRA member indeed! Go shoot somebody up!
 

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1) op is pissed because he paid too much for a used car (plus shipping!) From a generic used car dealer with no idea how that car has been (non) maintained for the previous 5 years. if you want to pay top dollar to buy a used car in a clean mall-like storefront from a smiling, uniformed salesperson who has zero specific experience with the volt (or 90% of other cars), and which was serviced by a non-volt tech prior to being rushed to the lot at high retail, that's called being sold and getting sucked into marketing hype.
2) all of these known issues could have been resolved with a little research on this forum, if Opie had desire to do a little leg work prior to trusting said mall like storefront and staff.
3) op is coming from a toyota, which means any expectation beyond having a generic Appliance like conveyance under factory warranty is going to be a letdown.

My volt is my first new GM product in 30 years of driving. Well it was new but I've had it 6 years now. I've had the same annoyances as you have but I came here early and did my research and knew what questions to ask of the dealer and everything was resolved including lots and lots of free maintenance for my troubles from gm. I like having a unique car and Blasting past the Priuses and the old hags who drive them. It's a little love-hate but more love. Looks like you're playing in the wrong sandbox and you won't do that next time. Toyota has a car for you.
 

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I mentioned the 25 mile aspect since this 2015 car is a couple months from being out of HV propulsion warranty. It's still a great car and would be sad if a catastrophic battery failure took it out once out of warranty. I've formed an opinion (for what it's worth) that age is a large determinant in probability of failure. Some on the forum here have suggested a weaker cell can drop below critical voltage when the battery is depleted, and power requirements are high as the engine spools up to take the electrical load.

As noted, there's buffers at the top and bottom of the battery to baby it. we're talking an 8-year-old car here though. Essentially, he's giving it a bit more buffer on the bottom. He wants to run this car for another 5 or so years. Maybe this will help him get there.
Another way to look at it: maybe you want to drive the car hard to try to get the battery to fail before the warranty expires. Then take it easy after. Of course it's a gamble.

I have about a year until the Voltec warranty runs out on my '16. I still haven't had the BECM failure. I'm driving the car as much as possible to "encourage" that to happen in the next year. I'm fully aware that it might fail at 8 years and 1 day with 99,998 miles on the odometer...
 

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That was quite a post. BCEM failure is a crap situation. I hope I don't ever have to deal with it. It sucks that manufacturers don't keep service parts on hand anymore. With the appliance-ification of cars, this is becoming more and more rare I've noticed.

I'm really not sure why you didn't go for the Prius Prime from the outset?
Prius Prime for sure in the future. Toyota and Honda forever. 🤘🤘
 

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The dead key slot is in the bottom of the center console in the Gen 2 Volt. I've had to use it.
You're talking about if the FOB battery is dead. Open the center console, lift up the rubber mat at the bottom, place the FOB there, press the start button and the car will start. I did try that. It didn't work. What AAA though was that there was a physical key-starter behind the start button, for the physical key in the FOB. Similar to what is on the door handle, and how you unlock the door if you FOB battery dies.

Just as I could switch from full electric, to sport, to mountain, to hold, I'm surprised/disappointed I couldn't switch the Volt to "hold" and activate the gas engine and drive it in gas only mode. If it had been designed that way, in theory, I could have continued to use the car while waiting for the boat full of fresh BECMs to arrive instead of making car loan payments and insurance payments on a car sitting in a dealer's to-be-repaired lot. And I wouldn't have needed their customer support, and certainly wouldn't have looked into an attorney. Worst case scenario I would have a 40mpg car for a few months.
 

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Your problem doesn't seem to be with GM, it appears to be with your "Attorney".
Agreed. But if GM had provided their customer care number right away, and offered me assistance in the form of a rental or covering payments or something from the beginning, I wouldn't have found my way to inquiring with an attorney. I even offered them an "out" and they refused. So, GM just wants to waste more money in the long-run I suppose.
 

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The short version: Sell your Chevy Volt today! If you have any other GM vehicles, sell them today! Never buy GM again! Discourage your friends and family from buying GM vehicles! The long version: Previously, I had owned a 2011 Toyota Prius, and thoroughly enjoyed that car. I averaged about 45 to 50 mpg. Unfortunately, it was t-boned, and I had to get another vehicle. I considered another Prius, but with some research I felt that a Chevrolet Volt was a better choice because it seemed to provide more of the things I wanted from a hybrid vehicle: 1, Primarily an electric car that plugged into a conventional 120v outlet. 2, No range anxiety with the gasoline backup. 3, Lower price compared to a Tesla. I purchased a 2017 Chevy Volt from Carmax in July 2021. It had approximately 51,000 miles, had no negative reports on its Carfax, and I paid and extra $1,500 to have a blue one shipped, because I wanted to have one that I thought looked cool. I had such a chip on my shoulder. Among my friends I had become an unofficial salesman trying to convince them of the gem that is a Chevy Volt, and how disappointing it was that it was no longer manufactured by Chevrolet. I hadn’t been this insufferable about a new product since Netflix eliminated the need to go to Blockbuster in the early 00’s. I could drive farther than any Nissan Leaf, and for only 1/3 the price of a Tesla. I had decided on a second generation Volt (2016 – 2019) because it had longer range. 45 – 50 miles on a full charge compared to the 25 – 30 miles on the 2011 – 2015 models. Sticker price was about $17,900, and after the transfer fee, tax title and license, the total came to almost $21,000. Over the course of a year I drove the Chevy Volt with no problems. I took the car on several road trips, and for day-to-day driving rarely used all the electric range. I would manually switch it to “Hold” on the freeway so that the gas engine would get some use. With that, the car would still calculate over 200 mpg. On road trips it would maintain 40 mpg when solely using gasoline. With GM transitioning to full electric vehicle by the end of the decade, my biggest concern was that the gasoline engine would have problems. I was afraid it might become difficult to find parts for the gasoline engine. Worst case scenario I would have to take it to a dealer for repair and pay higher prices. But not to worry, every major city has at least one Chevy/GM dealership, right? Repairing this type of vehicle they sold from 2011 to 2019 should not be a problem, right? WRONG! Late July 2022, after a long day at work, my 2017 Chevy Volt wouldn’t start. I spent about 30 minutes trying to figure out what could be wrong. The console turned on, the shift was in Park, the brake was pressed, the E-brake would engage and disengage. Everything seemed to be fine. It just would not start. The console showed that I had plenty of gasoline, with a range of about 250 miles. The console also showed I had a full battery, with a range of zero. Which didn’t make any sense. And if the battery range was zero, why wouldn’t the gasoline engine start up? I watched a few YouTube video trying to figure out the problem, but eventually I called AAA. AAA asked if I needed a jump start or a tow. One of the YouTube videos I watched suggested the lead-acid battery may be dead. I said, “Let’s try a jump start, but I might need a tow after.” The Chevy Volt’s lead-acid battery is located in the floor under the hatchback compartment, similar to where a Toyota Prius’ lead-acid battery is located. The connections for a jump-start are located under the hood in front of the driver’s side seat. AAA sent someone who attempted the jump-start the Volt following the proper connections for the Volt, but it did not start. The AAA guy asked if I tried using the key to start the vehicle. I had not. He proceeded to pry-off the START button from the dash. He said, “These cars with a START button also have a traditional key ignition behind the START button, and you use the key hidden in the FOB that you would use to unlock the door with to start it.” I was not aware of that! What a great idea! But there was no key ignition behind the START button. The AAA guy seemed more disappointed than I was. At that moment I wished the Chevy Volt had a transmission with a clutch and a first gear that I could pop to get it started. Even better, why not an emergency “go go gas engine” button or lever or switch? What if I had been traveling alone in a dangerous area when this happened? Stumped, the AAA guy started watching YouTube videos about why the car won’t start. I couldn’t help but notice he was watching the same videos I watched before calling AAA. Eventually he gave up, and I arranged to get a tow from AAA. About 10 minutes after the AAA guy left the Chevy Volt’s gas engine inexplicably started. I don’t know exactly what I did, but I managed to drive it home safely and cancelled the tow truck. Fortunately, when I purchased the Chevy Volt from Carmax I also purchased the supplemental warranty. The next day I had the vehicle towed to _ (1) located at (2) that honored the supplemental warranty. After two days, (1) determined the 2017 Chevy Volt to have a faulty Battery Energy Control Module (BECM) and that this issue is covered by the manufacturer warranty. (1) recommended that I tow the vehicle to a Chevrolet dealership to have the BECM replaced free of charge. They recommended (3) Chevrolet. So, I used AAA to have the Chevy Volt towed to (3) Chevrolet. Upon arrival to (3) Chevrolet, I spoke with (A) and informed him that (1) determined the problem to be the BECM module. (A) said that they, “Only have one person in the State that works on GM EVs, so it will be about a week before they can look at my Chevy Volt.” This was not a problem since I have a backup vehicle. Two weeks later I inquired with (3) Chevrolet who informed me they had not yet looked at my vehicle, but they’ll definitely get it evaluated within the next week. A week later, they still had not yet evaluated my Chevy Volt. I tried to reiterate to them that I already knew what was wrong, and if they contacted (1) they could probably tell them how they determined the problem was the BECM. After a month of no forward movement with (3) Chevrolet I got frustrated and started to wonder if my vehicle qualified as a lemon. I found a law firm named (4) who specifically dealt with lemon law cases. (4) informed me that because my vehicle was purchased used it does not qualify as a “lemon” but it was possible that GM breached their warranty, and they might be able to obtain some compensation for me. But in order to proceed with a breach-of-warranty case they would need a record of what repairs were performed. I informed (4) that no repairs had been performed yet, so there was no records to provide. I contacted (1) and asked if they could provide any records of my vehicle being there and how they determined the problem to be a faulty BECM. (1) stated that even though they were able to look up my vehicle in their computer, and that they determined it had a faulty BECM, it was a “cancelled ticket” and there was no documentation to share. Low and behold, the next day (3) Chevrolet contacted me and said they were able to evaluate my vehicle and determined the problem to be the BECM. How convenient! I asked if they could provide some documentation on this, and they said that because no work had been done yet they had no documentation to share. Also, because the BECM is essentially a microchip, it is on back order at least six weeks. This is after the vehicle had been at (3) Chevrolet for a month. This was not a problem because I have a backup vehicle. On October 5th I got into a car accident that totaled my backup vehicle, which was not an immediate problem because I could rent a temporary vehicle with my car insurance. In my rental vehicle I drove to (3) Chevrolet and asked if they would like to purchase my 2017 Chevy Volt. That way I could either use it as a trade in for a working vehicle, or buy another vehicle elsewhere. Then (3) Chevrolet could take however long they wanted to repair my Chevy Volt, and do whatever they wanted when it was repaired. However, (3) Chevrolet told me they were not buying vehicles at this time. I asked if they could offer a loaner vehicle. They said they do not offer loaner vehicles anymore, and even if they did, it would only be for five days. Feeling despondent, I decided to visit the Carmax dealership I purchased my 2017 Chevy Volt just to ask if they have any advice. I spoke with someone who offered an 800-number to GM Customer Service. That number is 1(866) 790-5600. I was surprised that this number was never offered to me by (3) Chevrolet. I encourage anyone with a GM vehicle to write this number down, share it with other GM owners. When I called, I spoke with someone about my situation and they were very empathetic to my situation. They offered to reimburse me for a rental vehicle, they offered to reimburse me for the gasoline on my rental vehicle, and they offered to reimburse me for half of the car payment I have made since it went into the shop early in August. I was so appreciative of this and expressed my overwhelming gratitude with GM and their customer support. When my rental through my insurance ended in mid-November, I was able to close that account, open a new account, and continue to rent the same vehicle. But this was going to be on my own credit card. Not a problem because I had the assurance of GM, they would reimburse it on a monthly basis. On December 1st, I emailed the receipts and other documentation to [email protected] that was provided to me by my Customer Care representative (B) . The November reimbursement would be: 1, $1,469.90 for the rental car. 2, $600 for ½ the payments August through November. 3, $61.88 for gasoline. For a grand total of $2,131.78. After a week I had not heard anything and left a voicemail with (B) via the extension number she provided, but she did not call me back. The next day I called the main number and told them I am unable to reach my customer care representative, (B) . They just connected me to her voicemail again. I left another message. (B) called back within ten minutes and said, “How may I help you?” which indicated to me she had not checked her voicemail. I restated that I had sent my documentation about a week prior and was curious about the status of my reimbursement. Her tone then changed and said, “This case has been elevated to legal and I am no longer your representative.” And terminated the call. The next day I called as soon as they opened at 8am EST and asked to be transferred to the GM legal department. They transferred me to legal and told them my situation. They informed that the law offices of (4) sent them some kind of letter. This was the same law office that apparently couldn’t do anything three months ago without me providing them documentation, now without my permission was taking legal action. And because of (4) legal action, GM closed my reimbursement case and would no longer talk with me. I don’t even know what was in that legal letter. In my experience, attorneys will ask a client’s permission to send a letter or perform an action just in case there has been a change in the situation. Apparently not at the law offices of (4) . With the promise to reimburse from GM rescinded, I had to get rid of my expensive rental car ballooning my credit card balance. I had to buy another vehicle immediately. I visited my bank, and fortunately was able to qualify for another car loan. While I was at the bank, I asked if they could look up the value of my 2017 Chevy Volt since they have access to a JD Power & Associates website appraisals. According to JD Power, my 2017 Chevy Volt with 61,500 miles was valued at $21,500. I spent the next few days researching other vehicles, and closed on a used Toyota on Thursday December 15th. Not two hours later, (3) Chevrolet called and said the BECM for my 2017 Chevy Volt had been shipped, was on its way, and would hopefully be installed in my vehicle next week…hopefully before the only Chevrolet EV Technician in the State went on Christmas Vacation. Having just purchased another vehicle, on Friday December 16th I returned my rental vehicle. On Wednesday December 21st, (3) Chevrolet called and said they had received the BECM and that it was being installed on my 2017 Chevy Volt. On Thursday December 22nd, it was ready. I had a friend give me a ride to (3) Chevrolet and picked up my 2017 Chevrolet Volt that had been in the shop for four and a half months. I noticed a new dent by the driver’s side door handle, a scuff on the front right-side bumper, and a crack in the plastic driver’s side headlight. But I had been fighting with GM corporate, and I just wanted to go home. And at this point I needed to get rid of this 2017 Chevrolet Volt. But first I wanted to try and make peace with GM Customer Service. I called 1(866) 790-5600, told them the situation, asked to be transferred to legal. Was connected to someone named (C) . I explained to (C) that all I wanted was for my car to be repaired and that the law offices of (4) acted without my permission. And if GM was willing to adhere to the original agreement of reimbursing my rental, my rental’s gasoline, and half my car payments, I would dismiss the attorney. And this would probably cost them less money. (C) said, “The button on the computer screen that would let me do that isn’t working. It’s greyed out for some reason.” I suggested maybe his computer needed a microchip that was on backorder. We both laughed. I suggested they could think about it and get back to me. As of the time I write this paragraph (25 February 2023) neither GM Legal, nor the law offices of (4) have contacted me and I have no idea what’s going on with the lawyer/legal aspect of this situation. I had purchased the Chevy Volt with the intention of not having to use gasoline in daily driving, and then having a fuel-efficient car for road trips. I had assumed that if my Chevy Volt were to break down somewhere random in Iowa or Nevada or Tennessee, worst-case scenario I could have it towed to an authorized Chevrolet dealership and they would have the tools and expertise to repair the vehicle even if the repairs were expensive. It never crossed my mind that Chevrolet had failed to stockpile an appropriate number of replacement parts for a car that had been in production since 2011. Nor that they had failed to train enough staff to repair these vehicles. Worst of all, their customer service was difficult to contact. And when I did, they made promises they never intended to honor to a customer they never intended to keep. There is an expression I learned in this situation, “You can replace a car, but you can’t replace a customer.” And this situation has cemented my brand loyalty with Toyota and Honda for life. Which is a shame because I have good memories with GM vehicles. My Mother owned both a 1969 and a 1977 Pontiac Firebird when I was young. Through college, I had a 1992 GMC Sonoma with a carbureted V6 and an extended cab. But I guess GM’s best days are in the past. On Friday, January 6th 2023 I sold my 2017 Chevrolet Volt to a dealership. Not the one who repaired the vehicle…and scuffed the bumper, and cracked the headlight, and dented the driver’s side door. I sold it to (5) _ Chevrolet. Fortunately, they paid me what I owed, approximately $15,000. Even though I knew JD Power valued it at $21,500, I just wanted to get rid of the car and out of the loan. Also, I would feel guilty selling this vehicle to a private party for them to have similar problems I had. At least buying from a dealership there is usually an option for a supplemental warranty. A few days later I saw my old 2017 Chevy Volt for sale on their website for $22,997. As of 25 February 2023, it was still for sale. Lessons Learned: 1: Consumer advocacy groups such as Consumer Reports and Car and Driver need to develop a way for consumers to evaluate how long they can expect their EVs to be in the shop if they have a problem so that they can make an informed purchase decision. If there is only one EV technician in your state and zero spare parts in North America, maybe that EV sticker price needs to come down a bit. 2: Consumers for all EVs must insist their manufacturer warranty explicitly covers the cost of a rental car, its fuel, and supplemental insurance if their EV is going to be in the shop for more than three business days. The supply chain is too unreliable for the average consumer to rely upon an EV as their only vehicle. If the dealership does not provide loaner cars available, they should immediately arrange with a rental car company (such as Enterprise) to provide a vehicle for warranty-covered repairs. 3: GM, or any other dealership, should offer their customer service number to people that drop off their vehicles the same day they drop off their vehicles. It should not be put upon the customer to be a detective to figure out how to contact their customer service. That GM Customer Service number again is 1(866) 790-5600. 4: Considering how GM killed the EV One in the late 1990s, which was the subject of the film “Who Killed The Electric Car,” and considering that GM cancelled the Chevy Volt in 2019, and considering how an essential spare part (the BECM) was not kept in stock, I can easily see how this was all part of the same short-sighted management decisions that has made GM such an unreliable brand. That is why you should sell your Chevy Volt today. Sell any other GM vehicle you may have. And encourage your friends and family to avoid GM vehicles. 5: Also considering that GM outsourced many manufacturing jobs throughout the 1980s and 1990s. Had they kept those jobs on American soil, maybe their quality of cars would not have gone down and there would be plenty of spare parts on this continent? Just saying.
I was interested in a Volt. Same reasoning. I have a 05 Prius with 230,000. I started looking at the forum. It is the eye opener I sought. Responses seem to throw issues back onto the owner or ask Where did you buy it? what color is it? then a litany of techno babble. I hoped Gm had evolved from the design reaction to the energy and safety crunch of the 70's, make consumers sorry to want progress. At least your situation is in print. I wanted to see about typical issues and worse case. I see they overwhelmingly tend to simply not function for a variety of computer electrical issues and nobody has a clue about. Some pretend to. There're legends of a shy race of wizards who can't speak. Information isn't open source. Not even info about a key slot? There are no parts. Responsibility diverted. If one can analyze things, the offerings here are mostly useless babble bordering on insult. What I learned is is, it's a car that cannot be easily fixed at all. GM is dominated by finance people, not automotive engineers. They market things they know are problematic and unproven then blame the people dumb enough to buy it. The primary goal is about finance. The best warrantee they could offer is to send a box of matches to your cousin Tony S or his buddy Pauli, they never have problems with car repair. Amusing that smart people think Prius are too ugly to pose in, especially since they easily top 200,000 with no serious issues. A guy actually got in mine and said laughing, "Wow this is a real chick magnet." My response at 68 years old, "Yes, all the right kinds." Beauty of a dented 18 year old Prius is in the pocket of the owner. I'm in Shock and Awe, we abide at the mercy of gangsters.
 

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When the problem with the Volt first occurred in July 2022, I wonder what would have happened had the OP researched the problem here first? Instead of doing that, he calls AAA, and allows them to experiment on his Volt which they seemed to know nothing about, even allowing them to pry off the start button from the dash! Then he allows them to tow the vehicle to some random Chevy dealer without knowing if they even have a trained EV tech on duty! And now he trashes GM and all GM vehicles because he bought a used one with 51K miles without doing his homework? He blames GM, CarMax, AAA, and a Chevy dealer but I believe he put himself in that position and deserves half the blame at least.
I had just worked a 12-hour shift, it was starting to rain. I was stuck. Not the best time to "research the problem." I needed help to get home. Apparently AAA doesn't have resources for their workers to troubleshoot vehicles, and aren't prepared for EV and hybrids. Can't be mad at AAA. They've only had 25 years since the Prius first hit the streets, 20 years since the Honda Insight debuted, 15 years since Teslas appeared. :confused:

Also, I had a supplemental warranty that limits who I can take the vehicle to. The authorized repair shop was able to diagnose the problem, and advised me that it was a repair covered by the manufacturer's warranty. They recommended _ (3) _ Chevrolet. At that time I was under the impression that any Chevy Dealership has the staff capable of repairing any Chevy/GM vehicle. Now I know better that I should have called every Chevy GM dealership in the State and asked "Do you have a spare BECM? Does your staff have the training to replace a BECM?" The authorized repair shop in theory could have replaced the BECM. But I can easily see how it might have turned into an issue where the supplemental warranty and the manufacturer's warranty squabble over who pays for what. I would have probably had to pay up front and fight for a reimbursement later (like I'm doing now anyway). It seemed easier to just take it to a Chevy dealership.

Lesson learned.
 

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1) op is pissed because he paid too much for a used car (plus shipping!) From a generic used car dealer with no idea how that car has been (non) maintained for the previous 5 years. if you want to pay top dollar to buy a used car in a clean mall-like storefront from a smiling, uniformed salesperson who has zero specific experience with the volt (or 90% of other cars), and which was serviced by a non-volt tech prior to being rushed to the lot at high retail, that's called being sold and getting sucked into marketing hype.
2) all of these known issues could have been resolved with a little research on this forum, if Opie had desire to do a little leg work prior to trusting said mall like storefront and staff.
3) op is coming from a toyota, which means any expectation beyond having a generic Appliance like conveyance under factory warranty is going to be a letdown.

My volt is my first new GM product in 30 years of driving. Well it was new but I've had it 6 years now. I've had the same annoyances as you have but I came here early and did my research and knew what questions to ask of the dealer and everything was resolved including lots and lots of free maintenance for my troubles from gm. I like having a unique car and Blasting past the Priuses and the old hags who drive them. It's a little love-hate but more love. Looks like you're playing in the wrong sandbox and you won't do that next time. Toyota has a car for you.
1) op is pissed because he paid too much for a used car (plus shipping!) From a generic used car dealer with no idea how that car has been (non) maintained for the previous 5 years. if you want to pay top dollar to buy a used car in a clean mall-like storefront from a smiling, uniformed salesperson who has zero specific experience with the volt (or 90% of other cars), and which was serviced by a non-volt tech prior to being rushed to the lot at high retail, that's called being sold and getting sucked into marketing hype.
The Chevy Volt was discontinued after the 2019 model. So in 2021 there were only USED Chevy Volts to choose from. And considering what Chevy Volts (with similar mileage I got mine at) are retailing for now, I got a fair deal in July 2021. I didn't get suckered by some salesperson. I did the research and made the decision to buy a Chevy Volt, as many others on this forum likely did. I pretty much just used Carmax to facilitate getting the Volt I wanted. I can admit in hindsight I made a bad choice with the GM Chevy Volt.

2) all of these known issues could have been resolved with a little research on this forum, if Opie had desire to do a little leg work prior to trusting said mall like storefront and staff.
How would have researching on forums got the new BECM built and shipped to North America faster? Even if I found one on my own say in a junk yard, would GM accept that part and back it up with their manufacturer warranty? To guarantee any part they need to be able to track its supply chain, and track the people that install it.

3) op is coming from a toyota, which means any expectation beyond having a generic Appliance like conveyance under factory warranty is going to be a letdown.
Yes. It was a letdown that a major American car company didn't have spare parts for a vehicle they produced for eight years, nor had trained very many of their staff in how to repair those vehicles. That's the lesson for anyone considering EVs. If you're going to buy a rare classic car, for example a Ford Model T, there's a risk that finding parts for it and people that know how to repair it may be next to impossible. That's an unreasonable expectation for a 5-year-old car, that's the second generation of its model line.
 

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You bought a car that you knew was past end of life. Not everybody is an omnipotent bucket of past, present, and future knowledge or predictions, but what I can say is this. I own 7 cars. In the good old days, if an automaker was still making parts for a car 20 years later, you got lucky (Mercedes in my case). Then it seemed like 15 years was more the norm (VW, Honda in my case). Then you have cars made by automakers who 1) are already predisposed to making every decision based on saving 1 lincoln penny (GM), and cars they pulled the plug on because they were losing their tails. I have an old Cadillac Allante that was really way ahead of the times, well-engineered overall, but that suffered at launch because the bean counters at GM rushed it though the doors to start making money and then 2) once they got it right in 93, they cancelled it and went running for the hills when someone needed parts. Those cars actually have issues that could have been solved by redesigned electronic and accessory parts, but when owners and repair shops approached GM about it, they were a hard no. In other words, same problems with GM as 30 years ago, except in the case of the Volt GM actually has redesigned the BECM and the EGR post-cancellation.

Then, you add a pandemic in 2020 with not only severe supply chain issues, but massive market and business uncertainty for at least the first year of it. Nobody is expected, again, to know all this, but I do think anyone who has any basic awareness of recent history, and the automotive industry historically, particularly with GM, these are pretty well-documented and discussed issues, especially in car owner circles, not to mention enthusiastic and classic car circles.

I spent 6 months researching electric cars in 2017 before settling on the Volt. I live ex-urban/rural, so I liked the gas motor for highway use. I also liked the power, and how well the car cornered. I also am an enthusiast for better or worse, so my Volt sits alongside various old V8s and V12s. You have to decide what you want. Yes, the Prius has its place - mostly non-enthusiasts who don't know much about cars and buy something out of Consumer Reports because that's the answer. Or they want less hassle. The older I get, I dont like hassle, but the Volt is SO much more enjoyable than a sorry Prius any day of the week, and at the end of the day, I've got to live in this thing in traffic and errands so I want to enjoy it as best I can.

Believe me, I was PISSED when my EGR failed and the car sat for TWO months. So much so that I called GM and complained. 2 days later, the car was done. Then, when my BECM failed, I came here to the forums for info as I did for my EGR. I immediately opened a case with GM, and I waited 15 days for a BECM. I convened a meeting of the parts manager and lead Volt tech, and built rapport when I towed it in for BECM. The parts manager additionally opened a SPAC case for expedited parts, and the Volt tech said he would do my shift to park while it was in there. It appears they also changed 8 quarts of battery coolant (wink wink from the tech) saving me the expense.

When all was said and done, GM had comped me about $1,000 in free service and maintenance across the 2 parts debacles. Free 12v battery, free oil changes and tire rotations for 3 years, free loaners the whole time, free battery coolant, 30,000 rewards points. All because I took the lead and told THEM what I wanted and how I wanted it.

Sometimes you just have to stand up for yourself and also, at a certain age you have more experience with stuff like this in general to where, just because the other guy runs the service dept, and the other guy is the certified tech, doesnt mean you just blindly leave it all in their hands and ASSume you are going to be taken care of.

Live and learn, as they say. As we all have had to do.
 

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I got the "not able to charge" message in January 2023 on my 2014 Volt. I had been driving in heavy rain...

When plugging in, the charge indicator light on the dash stayed amber. On repeated attempts, it sometimes turned green and began charging but, after about a minute or so, switched back to amber. Or sometimes it flashed amber. Any time there was an amber light, there was also an audible click, much like the one that I heard every time the car began successfully charging. I couldn't tell if it was coming from the charger or the car. Any time the charge indicator lamp was amber, the DIC also displayed the cryptic message "not able to charge".

-I checked the charge port prongs on the vehicle: all straight and free of corrosion.
-I tried the 240v wall charger and the 110v charger that came with the car: neither would charge the car. In fact, when I plugged in the 110, the ground fault protection immediately tripped on the wall outlet.
-I drove around the neighborhood for about half an hour but still had the same issue when trying to plug in after.
-Battery charged up to half and car runs fine in mountain mode.
-Orange "engine" light on DIC was illuminated.

Without knowing the codes, I guessed this was a charge port problem.

I took the vehicle to AutoNation Chevrolet in Santa Clarita, CA, They kept it over a week before diagnosing the problem; my service advisor told me that the charge port needed to be replaced. Since the car had less than 150k miles and was less than 10 years old, California required the repair to be covered under warranty.

However... I was told the part was on backorder and that it may take a while to obtain.

I waited over two more weeks (coming up on a month at that point) before I finally called the dealership on a Monday and told them to either: 1. fix the car, 2. provide me a loaner or rental or 3. return the car to me unrepaired and I would drive it in mountain mode until the part arrived. I gave them until the end of the week (Friday) to make one of these things happen. To the surprise of absolutely no one, they chose option 3.

When I got the car home, I plugged it in for s**ts and giggles. Lo and behold, it charged right up with no problem at all.

I drove and charged the car as for about two more weeks. Then, we had another rainy spell and the car started doing the same thing as before.

I called the dealership and asked for the service manager since my rep had proven to be unreliable in his promises to contact me with updates while they had the car. I left the service manager a voicemail on a weekday.

The next day, 24 hours later and with no follow-up from the dealership, I started looking at GM's corporate website and found a "lemon law" link to their customer relations department. I contacted them, explaining the situation (I needed a warranty repair but was told the part was not available, so what could be done?), and someone from GM got back to me the next day.

He had difficulty getting hold of anyone at the dealership (nobody was returning calls from the main number), so I gave him the direct lines of my service rep and the service department manager.

What do you know, the next day, the service manager called me and told me the charge port was in and when would I like to have the repair done?

I brought the car in the next business day and they had it ready for me later that same day, but too late for me to pick it up, so I got it the next day.

Moral of the story: don't contact a lawyer until you have exhausted all other routes.

I went through this with a Ford a few years ago and wound up just selling the car rather than waiting for the class action settlement, which it turns out wouldn't have applied in my case, anyway, despite it obviously being for the same issue. But THAT'S another story for a different forum.
 
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