The $14K incentive I don't factor in to a dealer negotiation since that is a provincial incentive and not a manufacturer or dealer incentive. Trying to see what best deals of MSRP that people have received. Right now the vehicle is 47000 and one dealer is offering me $1000 Visa + 1600 dealer off 47K while another dealer is only offering the $1000 Visa and $0 dealer discount. I would expect more movement off MSRP in both cases so looking for comparisons