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I missed something in this review. During the authors test drive what mpg did he achieve on his review from the gas engine? Also what range did he achieve just on the electric motor / battery charge?

The main reason and purpose a prospective owner would think about buying a plug in hybrid is the above, mpg on gas, and electric range, otherwise you could just buy a regular model and save $7,000 -$9,000 over the cost of a plug in hybrid.

I believe the 2016-17 Volt is a better deal, just my opinion.
 
Dave G : By comparison, without the pack under the floor, a road debris puncture would simply enter the passenger compartment

Ouch!

Actually, an underfloor pack might have caught fire without stopping that prodigious projectile.


Electrified Enema? <:-O
 
Calling business accountability "slanted" perhaps does date back that far.

Like it or not (obviously some definitely not), that's reality. As exciting as range & power may be, it's just plain not what sells in high-volume sustainability. It's been that way since before many of us were even born. Mainstream consumers focus on the practical nature of their purchase. Need wins out over want.

That's why the small SUVs are such a hot item right now. Want is the desire for the massive guzzlers of a decade ago. Need is to downsize. Offering a hybrid system and a plug is a compromise many will accept. They like it.
 
john1701a : It’s interesting how asking the same question years later gets a very different response.

Nope same response. Everyone has always wanted more Voltec vehicles. What you said in the past was GM should ditch the 40 mile range of the Volt and knock it down to 6 mile PiP levels. No one here wanted this. However, a large sedan (Malibu) with 30 miles of AER (more than the Ford Energi's) would be welcome. I think if they could get it to 40 miles of AER, that would be even more welcome.
 
john1701a : That’s why the small SUVs are such a hot item right now. Want is the desire for the massive guzzlers of a decade ago. Need is to downsize. Offering a hybrid system and a plug is a compromise many will accept. They like it.

The technology is only starting to scale up to larger vehicles. Hopefully downsizing will meet hybridization somewhere in the middle before it can reach the bigger vehicles.

There is such a thing as too much, too soon: What was learned from the Highlander Hybrid?
 
Kdawg : What you said in the past was GM should ditch the 40 mile range of the Volt and knock it down to 6 mile PiP levels.

There was never a statement by me, ever, to ditch the existing model. My push was always to quickly diversify, to offer consumers a choice.

GM SHOULD OFFER A *SECOND* MODEL is what I said over and over again.

Believing I said otherwise explains much of the resistance lately. I wondered why the heck there was such a fierce blocking of posts. Sadly, thinking I said something someone else may have posted is a possibility. Do a search for "second model". Remember all the Volt "lite" discussions?
 
Jackson : There is such a thing as too much, too soon: What was learned from the Highlander Hybrid?

That's the second post you agree with me today. Interesting. I welcome other comments.

With respect to Highlander Hybrid, that was always intended as a demonstration of AWD and Towing abilities from a larger hybrid, while also branching out into the luxury market. Those goals were clearly achieved. Now that such a based is well established, Toyota can go all out with spreading the tech... most specifically, rollout RAV4 hybrid... which is exactly what's happening now.
 
john1701a ,

Toyota had two generation of electric RAV4s.

I knew the owner of one of the first ones (he brought it here to Puerto Rico), but no local Toyota would service it. I have the original Toyota facory servive manual for it. The second generation was using Tesla Motors technology and battery (the DIC has "Powered by Tesla" shown when powered on). But Toyota also cancelled it.

Now Toyota is producing a new hybrid version of the RAV4. Everyone here can see clearly that Toyota has given up on battery-electrics and only wants to sell hybrids. In conclusion, Toyota has accepted defeat from General Motors and others (including the South Koreans, as seen above) as to who is the most advanced in personal transportation. Sakichi Toyoda, the founder of Toyota, would be in tears if he were alive.

Toyota's future is downhill since that admission. Get out of that sinking ship before you lose money.

Raymond
 
Jeff Cobb : In our area, most people speed, and tailgating drivers punish you if you do not go 10-15 over in a 35 zone on some roads.
How can the tailgating drivers "punish you" if you are not at fault? I always follow the speed limits when I drive here and in the U.S. and I don't care if someone wants to drive faster (the local police do). So they should just pass me, not "punish " me.

Raymond
 
Raymondjram : Now Toyota is producing a new hybrid version of the RAV4. Everyone here can see clearly that Toyota has given up on battery-electrics and only wants to sell hybrids. In conclusion...

Don't draw a conclusion based on what's happening only in the moment.

Ask Jackson about "too much, too soon". He'll point out how postponement can be a good thing.

That is why I kept asking about gen-2 Volt and next steps for GM.
 
I just saw the new Malibu at the Chevy dealer. Its a beautiful car. I think a plug-in version would be very appealing.

If the 18.4 KWH battery from the Volt were to be used, I think the range would be in the high 40's. Remember the Malibu is quite a light, I believe it weighs only about 3100 pounds. Add another 400 pounds or so for a larger battery and its weight would be about the same as the Volt.

I actually don't think its a matter of if, so much as when. I believe the Voltec propulsion system will be used to electrify most of the cars and SUVs GM currently makes.
 
john1701a : With respect to Highlander Hybrid, that was always intended as a demonstration of AWD and Towing abilities from a larger hybrid, while also branching out into the luxury market. Those goals were clearly achieved. Now that such a based is well established, Toyota can go all out with spreading the tech…

Oooh, I can do this too!

With respect to the ELR, that was always intended as a demonstration of EREV abilities in a car in the luxury market. Those goals were clearly achieved. Now that such a base is well established, GM can go all out with spreading the tech...

See how easy that is?
 
Kdawg : Oooh, I can do this too!

You haven't though. To do that, you must state what the next step actually is... which in the rest of that sentence, I did. See:

...most specifically, rollout RAV4 hybrid… which is exactly what’s happening now.

What will GM do and when?
 
The most confusing part for me is "both have the same 0.24 cd." . I am still to understand. GM never able to go below .28 for any of their designs.

Why GM only can't go below on the Cd numbers and how much it has impact ( ex: model 3 was targeting 0.20 or low )
 
larry4pyro : I actually don’t think its a matter of if, so much as when. I believe the Voltec propulsion system will be used to electrify most of the cars and SUVs GM currently makes.

There are some here who absolutely hated references to Two-Mode in the past. I got great quotes to blog as a result of drawing attention to it... since they knew Voltec was actually gen-2. Acknowledging that meant accepting certain realities of business. So, they kept trying to convey the message that Voltec was a start-from-scratch effort, that none of the past experience GM gained from applied to Volt.

It's never easy making the generation jump. Prius owners went through that in 2000, 2003, 2009, 2012, and now 2016. That much experience can be quite off-putting for others. They interpret many comments as condescending and feel the pressure of playing catch up.

That's why I look forward to discussing next steps. Heck, this topic provides a great venue. Hyundai as the Sonata plug-in hybrid, which is their gen-1. Ioniq is coming late this year. That will be their gen-2.
 
john1701a : What will GM do and when?

We don't know, and neither do you.

I suspect that we're in for a surprise next year. Bolt and Gen II were the big news this year. Next it will be CT6 and Malibu. After that ... Keep in mind that the Bolt is basically an LG-mobile; and this may reflect GM's preoccupation with another Voltec offering -- hopefully a larger one.*

*I can draw conclusions from tenuous suppositions too, but I don't favor a competing brand.
 
john1701a : What will GM do and when?

They already did it. We have the CT6 plug in coming and a Malibu hybrid w/Voltec inside. Don't forget the Bolt in the 4th quarter of this year. That was based on a lot of data collected from the Spark EV operations.
 
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