An excerpt from an article on MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27100918/) states the following:


Republicans allege Democrats and their allies are trying to subvert the voter registration system, and perhaps the election itself, with an avalanche of inaccurate or fraudulent new voter registrations.
This is a very serious charge, and should be of concern to all U.S. citizens. Any party attempting to subvert the law - the spirit or the letter - should be dealt with harshly.

The article then states:

But Democrats charge Republicans are trying to deter would-be voters by discouraging registrations and by requiring voters to identify themselves, in some cases with state-issued photo identification such as a driver’s license.
I had to prove who I am in order to get a passport, a driver's license, and so on. What is wrong with requiring someone registering to vote to prove that he or she has the legal right to do so? How is this a partisan issue? I, for one, only want legal U.S. citizens who are properly registered voting in this election.

"I had to prove who I am in order to get a passport, a driver's license, and so on. What is wrong with requiring someone registering to vote to prove that he or she has the legal right to do so? How is this a partisan issue? I, for one, only want legal U.S. citizens who are properly registered voting in this election."

There is nothing wrong with requiring identification. I'm going to vote early this year. Talked to the Voter registration people and they said I only needed to provide my name. I said no id? Nope. This is terrifying!! When certain groups go to no ends to get their agenda done by abusing the system, I'm extremely concerned. I hate to say it, but this nation (U.S.A.) is in free fall.

It's just so sad. Doesn't need to happen, but all signs point to our collapse. As the morals of the people go, so goes the nation.

This is a very serious charge, and should be of concern to all U.S. citizens.
Any party attempting to subvert the law - the spirit or the letter - should be dealt with harshly.
Yes it is a very serious charge, if it were true.
Voter fraud has traditionally been almost unheard of.
The democrats already have the lead, they've no need to steal the election.
The true details of these allegations, of course, will not be fully revealed until after the election; & I'm confident that the majority of them will be baseless & unfounded.

"I had to prove who I am in order to get a passport, a driver's license, and so on. What is wrong with requiring someone registering to vote to prove that he or she has the legal right to do so? How is this a partisan issue? I, for one, only want legal U.S. citizens who are properly registered voting in this election."

There is nothing wrong with requiring identification. I'm going to vote early this year. Talked to the Voter registration people and they said I only needed to provide my name. I said no id? Nope. This is terrifying!! When certain groups go to no ends to get their agenda done by abusing the system, I'm extremely concerned. I hate to say it, but this nation (U.S.A.) is in free fall.

It's just so sad. Doesn't need to happen, but all signs point to our collapse. As the morals of the people go, so goes the nation.

I don't know what state you are in, but I have already voted here in Indiana and I had to show my ID.

Yes it is a very serious charge, if it were true.
Voter fraud has traditionally been almost unheard of.

Going further back in history, yes. But the last few elections have been rife with Republican voter fraud, including mass disenfranchisement of black voters. It's no surprise that Democratic groups are now fighting back with their own dirty tactics. It's sadly just a sign of the times we're living in.

It'll be interesting to see in-depth non-biased reports on the extent of voter fraud on both sides of the aisle after the elections.

"including mass disenfranchisement of black voters"

Could you post a link to a non-biased report please?

"including mass disenfranchisement of black voters"

Could you post a link to a non-biased report please?

There are many news articles on the subject if you would like to look. Or you could get it straight from the source: http://www.amazon.com/How-Rig-Election-Confessions-Republican/dp/1416552227

I asked for a non-biased report. I don't consider news articles non-biased. The book looks somewhat interesting, but none of the reviews talk about "mass disenfranchisement of black voters". They did talk about pretending to be a black man to scare democrats though. Now how could that possibly work?

I live in Florida where this "disenfranchising of black voters" is alleged to have occured. When the local newspapers did their investigation they found the only people who were not allowed to vote were those who either:

- Showed up at the wrong precinct.
- Were not registered.
- Had no ID.

They did not find a single case of anybody who met all of the (basic) voting reguirements and was not allowed to vote.

They also did endless "recounts" after the "hanging chad" fiasco and in no case (that I am aware of) did they find that Al Gore should have won the election.

The reviews of the book do not go into detail and only mention a couple minor events. ^^Gore lost by ~500 votes so it's a bit ludicrous to say there were no scenarios where he would have won. You need to find better local papers I think.

Read these two articles to get a sense of how Florida Republicans operate.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/20/ING2976LG61.DTL

http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file/index.html

The reviews of the book do not go into detail and only mention a couple minor events. ^^Gore lost by ~500 votes so it's a bit ludicrous to say there were no scenarios where he would have won. You need to find better local papers I think.

I did not say there were no scenarios where Gore would have won. My point was that the left leaning local papers all did their own "recounts" months after the election based on the evidence they could find and in no case did any of them find that Al Gore should have won.

Sure, the election was very, very close. But in the end nobody who was legally able to vote was denied the opportunity.

Find me one person who was "disenfranchised".

How about you follow my links or even do a tiny bit of research on your own? And your local papers were simply wrong. Please, read what I linked to so you can understand how election gaming works.

How about you follow my links or even do a tiny bit of research on your own? And your local papers were simply wrong. Please, read what I linked to so you can understand how election gaming works.

I did follow the links. I do not consider voters too stupid to properly use the voting machines as "disenfranchised", they are simply too stupid to vote. (Ah, I can hear the cries of "he's a racist" coming already....)

We probably will not change each other's minds on this matter so let's just agree to disagree. :)

I did follow the links. I do not consider voters too stupid to properly use the voting machines as "disenfranchised", they are simply too stupid to vote. (Ah, I can hear the cries of "he's a racist" coming already....)

More importantly, I don't want anyone's vote counted if he or she is too stupid to use a voting machine properly.

It looks like you went and read a Rush Limbaugh blog instead of the links I posted. Whatever, you guys obviously aren't going to change your minds on this.

It looks like you went and read a Rush Limbaugh blog instead of the links I posted. Whatever, you guys obviously aren't going to change your minds on this.

I don't recall seeing a completely documented case of such "disenfranchisement" from a neutral source. I think that might be the biggest problem - are there any "neutral" sources? You cite left-leaning sites or information, someone else cites right-leaning sites . . .

I hate how polarized U.S. politics has become.

I don't recall seeing a completely documented case of such "disenfranchisement" from a neutral source. I think that might be the biggest problem - are there any "neutral" sources? You cite left-leaning sites or information, someone else cites right-leaning sites . . .

I hate how polarized U.S. politics has become.

People make up their minds ahead of time and no amount of evidence or argument can sway them. No matter what I say these people will just blurt out something about stupid voters who can't fill out ballots properly, as if that's actually the issue I'm talking about.

There are no neutral sources but there are cold hard facts. Unfortunately here in America people like to be spoon-fed opinions by people who interpret the facts for them, or just flat our ignore them.

How to Brainwash a Nation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHgYPDvQFU8

How to Brainwash a Nation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHgYPDvQFU8

Haha! A video from 1984. You should see what the Russians are saying about us NOW. Putin says he is envious of our neo-con propaganda machine.

I was under the impression that Gore did win the election. I mean, the official and independent recounts and studies revealed he won Florida, you know the state where his brother was currently Governor..

Anyways I thought it was just that the supreme court elected George W. Bush, and because Al Gore just rolled over and took it.

I was under the impression that Gore did win the election. I mean, the official and independent recounts and studies revealed he won Florida, you know the state where his brother was currently Governor..

Anyways I thought it was just that the supreme court elected George W. Bush, and because Al Gore just rolled over and took it.

The supreme court made a very strange ruling. They ruled that the recounts were justified, but since the recounts had gone over schedule (due to Republican interference) they were not to be counted. It was a very sad day for Democracy. Then Al Gore went and developed and eating disorder or something.

There are so many things wrong with our political parties.

In a contest, I would rather lose fairly than win by cheating. Don't people have any honor anymore?

There are so many things wrong with our political parties.

In a contest, I would rather lose fairly than win by cheating. Don't people have any honor anymore?

Some still pretend to, against all evidence. When the American people are so clueless you can pretty much say whatever you want and get away with it.

Butterfly Ballot. Democrat designed and from a Democratic precinct. And still, they whine. This is too stupid to discuss, even on the web. :eek:

Now, Now... not all Democrats are whiners about stupid topics, any more than all Republicans lack a soul. :cool:

"Now, Now... not all Democrats are whiners about stupid topics, any more than all Republicans lack a soul."

What are your democratic values?