View Full Version : Tesla Founder, Martin Eberhard, criticizes GM



Jason M. Hendler
03-25-2008, 11:18 PM
Tesla Founder, Martin Eberhard, criticises GM:

http://www.teslafounders.com/

Look for blog called Focus Green and view slideshow. I tried to respond with the following post, but it did not appear when submitted:


For the fuel cell portion of your presentation, have you evaluated the impact of solar hydrogen generators:

http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/20134/
http://www.nanoptek.com/

Also, are your efficiency values for electrolysis updated with more efficient alkaline electrolysis processes:

http://www.hydrogenics.com/onsite/pdf/Hydrogen%20Plants_web.pdf

Even better, have you seen Quantum Spheres hydrogen generation systems using nano-electrodes:

http://www.qsinano.com/white_papers/Water%20Electrolysis%20April%2007.pdf

I don't mind anyone championing EV's, but let's be completely fair to other technologies. Moreover, you don't discuss the current capital costs of buying batteries, which adds $20K to a vehicle, which is why GM is taking the serial hybrid approach.

Finally, I wouldn't compare GM's E-REV pursuit to their BEV approach. I still agree with GM's assessment that there aren't many buyers for a vehicle that sits dead for 3 - 4 hours while charging, and the E-REV is the obvious solution.

DaV8or
03-26-2008, 02:26 AM
Who cares what Tesla, or any of it's founders think of GM?? When they have been in business for nearly 100 years, manufactured and delivered hundreds of millions of cars to people in every country in the world, then maybe they might have some useful insight on GM. Why do people think there is some great fountain of wisdom over there at Tesla? What really have they accomplished? Do people really expect their roadster to change the world or the way we drive?:confused:

Jason M. Hendler
03-26-2008, 11:12 AM
Who cares what Tesla, or any of it's founders think of GM?? When they have been in business for nearly 100 years, manufactured and delivered hundreds of millions of cars to people in every country in the world, then maybe they might have some useful insight on GM. Why do people think there is some great fountain of wisdom over there at Tesla? What really have they accomplished? Do people really expect their roadster to change the world or the way we drive?:confused:

If you view that presentation, Martin quotes Bob Lutz as saying the Tesla Roadster forced him into creating the Volt, and tries to paint the Volt as a reincarnated EV1. Simply untrue. The Volt is a series hybrid that solves the cost, range and rapid refill shortcomings of a 100% BEV.

DaV8or
03-26-2008, 01:31 PM
If you view that presentation, Martin quotes Bob Lutz as saying the Tesla Roadster forced him into creating the Volt, and tries to paint the Volt as a reincarnated EV1. Simply untrue. The Volt is a series hybrid that solves the cost, range and rapid refill shortcomings of a 100% BEV.

That guy's high on crack! The success of the Prius forced GM to get on the Volt project, not Tesla.

Jason M. Hendler
03-26-2008, 05:51 PM
That guy's high on crack! The success of the Prius forced GM to get on the Volt project, not Tesla.

While the Prius may be the real threat, the Tesla Roadster demonstrated how the energy density of the Li-Ion battery, both in weight and volume, could be used to create a vehicle that Americans would want to buy. Prius was the pushing force, and the Tesla Roadster showed the path of least resistance.