The state of the US "news" industry is horrible. CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC are horribly biased to the Democratic position. Fox and the radio gang are horribly biased to the Republican position. It's shocking how biased these news sources really are! If you watch Lou Dobbs and then Sean Hannity "report" on the same story and compare their statements it's really quite a depressing.

So, where to go to hear or read real news and not propaganda put out by the two main political parties?

The state of the US "news" industry is horrible. CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC are horribly biased to the Democratic position. Fox and the radio gang are horribly biased to the Republican position. It's shocking how biased these news sources really are! If you watch Lou Dobbs and then Sean Hannity "report" on the same story and compare their statements it's really quite a depressing.

So, where to go to hear or read real news and not propaganda put out by the two main political parties?





I will watch both sides, go do some research on the facts and then do my best to figure out what the reality is. I try to base all my judgments on basic economics, human psychology, energy considerations, etc.

I think it's really hard to find out what is happening out there. You are very correct about the media being so obviously biased.

That's why I can't understand when people simply don't watch something because they don't like the person’s views. Good examples are when people don't study another religion or when people refuse to watch Michael Moore. Of course I know the underlying reasons for this - people get upset listening to views that are not close to theirs. However, to not watch something that has verifiable information (like our infant mortality rate) or economic numbers of other countries, etc., to me just shows how weak a person's sense of reality is. If they refuse to watch something I automatically think they are unable to debate their weak position and thus are unable to see reality.

CSPAN1 and CSPAN2.

True journalism is dead in this country. We get little more than politically-slanted crap from the major "news" networks - it must make them more money than unbiased, factual reporting.

I agree with Texas :eek:

I do find that Fox News (online) will have stories that aren't mentioned elsewhere - some political, some not.

I disagree that CNN or the other networks have the same partisan bias as Fox news. Not even close. And this is coming from someone who despises all cable news. That kind of "false balance" is the reason Bush won a second term people. For example, Lou Dobbs is a huge idiot but there's just no comparing him to Sean Hannity and his little weasely liberal punching bag.

Yes, journalism is really screwed up in America. People are so apathetic and distracted that all they seem capable of paying attention to is the fast-paced low-content shallow cable news circus.

Appears that there is a consensus here that most NEWS is crap these days. I agree that bias infiltrates reporting far too much, but I think classifying fox radio "shows" as news is an insult to the much diminished word. They are no different then Geraldo or any that gendre of shows. My biggest beef isn't with the political biased. It's with editorialization of the standard news but yet presenting it as standard news along with the gross misunderstanding of facts and concepts. Couple this with a severely handicapped critical eye and we get very little useful contribution from today's media.

Case in point was with tonight's presidential debate. Energy independence was discussed a lot (which is a good thing). McCain harped on his support for nuclear among other power generation technologies to end our dependence on foreign oil. Obama failed to call him on it. Afterward, the media glowed about how well each candidate and where they scored there points. Seems like somebody associated with the whole mess should have called the candidates on the carpet for this immense misunderstanding or at the very least misspoken cures for our oil problems.

I like how McCain's 50 nuke plan will cost upwards of 300 billion dollars. How's that for cutting spending. Lets not get into McCain outright lying and making up facts though.

The state of the US "news" industry is horrible. CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC are horribly biased to the Democratic position. Fox and the radio gang are horribly biased to the Republican position. It's shocking how biased these news sources really are! If you watch Lou Dobbs and then Sean Hannity "report" on the same story and compare their statements it's really quite a depressing.

So, where to go to hear or read real news and not propaganda put out by the two main political parties?

Go north of the border... we are a getting a good show from your election... and we get it unfiltered view of both side ;)

So, where to go to hear or read real news and not propaganda put out by the two main political parties?

There are many independent news sources, you just have to look....
Some of the more popular independent news sources:

Air America Radio (http://airamerica.com/)
Democracy Now (http://www.democracynow.org/)
Ring of Fire Radio (http://www.ringoffireradio.com/)

There are many independent news sources, you just have to look....
Some of the more popular independent news sources:

Air America Radio (http://airamerica.com/)
Democracy Now (http://www.democracynow.org/)
Ring of Fire Radio (http://www.ringoffireradio.com/)
You're joking, right?

No, I don't think he was joking. Far left talk radio beats the cable networks hands down any day. You don't have to agree with everything they say but at least they talk about real issues. It can be quite bearable when they're not too blustery.

I like The Real News: http://therealnews.com
They pander heavily to my dislike of the cable networks so I'm obviously going to think they're great right off the bat. But they do have some really good interviews that give a totally different perspective. My favourite is when they interview ex-CIA guys.

Good to know that many people are not buying the crap the news is trying to feed us.

[QUOTE=darthvader420;13240]I disagree that CNN or the other networks have the same partisan bias as Fox news. Not even close./QUOTE]

I disagree 100% with this statement. Lou Dobbs and Cafferty (sp?) are unbelievably and openly biased.

As for the Limbaugh and the radio crowd, a saving grace for them is that they do not claim to be unbiased. They openly state they are not trying to present the news in an unbiased way but rather are promoting "conservative" views and values.

I usually watch and read several sources and then make up my mind.

You're joking, right?
No, I'm not joking Altazi

CSPAN 1/2/3; I haven't detected a shred of bias. I like to get my information as straight from the source as possible, and to see the whole record, not just a few sound bites.

PBS , NPR comes to mind they allow both sides to give their info. PBS and NPR will call out BS as they say it. Any time they report about a company who sponsors them GOOD or bad they reveal that they receive money from that company.

If they cant give corrections with in the same show they give corrections the very next show

No, I'm not joking Altazi

Wow. That's too bad. You are really seriously clueless if you think those sources are unbiased. It's cool if you're on the left side of the isle and like to hear stuff that reinforces your views, that's reasonable, but don't delude yourself into believing that these sources are anything other than propaganda to rally the troops, just like right wing radio (after which they are modeled) does. If you can't see this, you are too far gone to recognize bias.

Here is my .02 from a right wing point of view. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, .. lean far left. MSNBC is in a class of fools by themselves. PBS, NPR lean slightly to the left. Fox leans to the right. Rush and the other talk radio guys are not news, they are commentary and discussion. Why do I like the Volt? Made in the USA. No money going to people that hate us. No (or less) pollution. Maybe we can come together on those points.

Wow.
That's too bad.
You are really seriously clueless ...
You're right 'duh vee eight ore' I really am clueless.

You're right 'duh vee eight ore' I really am clueless.

Maybe not clueless, but you are definitely unaware of the bias in the sources you list. Maybe it's a case of "I agree with what they are saying, so there is no bias." Yes?

Maybe not clueless, but you are definitely unaware of the bias in the sources you list.
Maybe it's a case of "I agree with what they are saying, so there is no bias." Yes?
Oh Altazi, you asked so sweetly & politely you've charmed me....
While I will concede that there is certainly bias in Air America Radio & Ring of Fire, Democracy Now! is truly independent.

"Democracy Now! receives no corporate, government or Corporation for Public Broadcasting grants or funding-
stating that the independence of their programming would be undermined or otherwise compromised."

Democracy Now! from Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Now!)

While I will concede that there is certainly bias in Air America Radio & Ring of Fire, Democracy Now! is truly independent.

Independently funded, however I don't see how this fact automatically creates a news source that is free from bias. A radio station takes a position on issues with a particular view of the world and like minded people send them money to keep doing that. Those that disagree with the broadcast don't send money. In fact, this scenario makes the radio station just as sensitive to the listeners views as a corporate station is to it's corporate sponsors. There is always bias in all the media. I don't believe that unbiased news exists.

Oh Altazi, you asked so sweetly & politely you've charmed me....
While I will concede that there is certainly bias in Air America Radio & Ring of Fire, Democracy Now! is truly independent.

"Democracy Now! receives no corporate, government or Corporation for Public Broadcasting grants or funding-
stating that the independence of their programming would be undermined or otherwise compromised."

Democracy Now! from Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Now!)

Apparently not. Here's a quote from the Wiki page: "I think it's probably the most significant progressive news institution that has come around in some time." - Robert W. McChesney.

I also did a Google search for "democracynow bias" and found that most left-leaning websites praised the news organization, and that most right-leaning websites were critical of it.

Try again.

Here's a new question: Is it even possible to get unbiased news?

"Here's a new question: Is it even possible to get unbiased news?"

It is called truth. Sad that our media is so biased that we don't even consider it.

^^^ It's called actual reporting. TV news by and large is not even close to reporting and has not been for decades. Every night I see dozens of misconceptions, lies, and manipulations portrayed as fact. There's no fact-checking and certainly no hard-hitting investigative journalism. On cable news all you have is talking heads reading prepared statements that come either directly from the white house or from ratings-watching writers. CNN is a money-making channel akin to E channel only it's about politicians and missing white girls instead of Tom Cruise.

I don't have so much problem with a so-called "bias" .. I have more problem that "news" contains just so much low-quality crap.

http://images.tvrage.net/shows/7/6715.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/tshirt/archive/

I agree with several points mentioned, CNN seems to be the most tolerable to watch, of course they are in the tank for Obama but I’ve found they at least mention all the major stories for both sides and their talking heads are fairly well spread out. I turn to fox during commercials and get the complete opposite perspective, then I go to drudge report and politico to get another set of opposing perspectives. I’ve found this gives me the whole spectrum on most stories.